How do you determine what laws should exist or not exist if not by some kind of value system? Is it moral for a man to tell a woman what to do with her Healthcare?
FoxHastings said: ↑ Abortion was legal at the time... LOL, Thank you for proving AGAIN that for Anti-Choicers it is ALL and ONLY about punishing women and religion....which they always deny....but here is PROOF
Laws are made to prevent chaos in society....not dictate morals. EVERYONE'S "morals" are different...they vary from person to person and time to time.... YOUR "morals" may not be someone else's... YOU: ""Is it moral for a man to tell a woman what to do with her Healthcare?"" Maybe it is to him but that shouldn't affect anyone else especially the woman he wants to control ( a mental disease). Her healthcare is none of his business.
When did I ever say I want to force my morals on anyone else? Sounds like you're a little touchy on the issue.
FoxHastings said: ↑ Why should people adopt YOUR "morals" ??? Who are you??? Again, why should people adopt YOUR "morals"....they all have their own....which are as good as yours... And have all the "morals" you like but why do you think you can force yours on other people??? Good to know you do not want to ban abortion! Good for you! From all your posts against it I would've guessed you are quite sensitive about it ...
No, I don't want to ban abortion, for me it's a moral issue not a legal issue. As Christians we know we'll always live in secular societies that allow, legalize, and even encourage immoral behavior. We have to change culture to dramatically reduce acceptance of abortion the same way we had to reduce and eventually eliminate acceptance of slavery in western civilization.
Well you and your "we" have had about 2,000 years and you haven't stopped it yet !!! LOL, your mystical "we" was NOT soley responsible for ending slavery....and some of your "we" want to make slaves of women by banning abortion...
You seem to assume a lot. I never said, nor implied, that Christrians alone changed attitudes about slavery. Woman are born with the natural function of nurturing babies in the womb for preservation of the species. There is nothing "slave" about that.
I do understand your point. My sister holds the same opinion and she is still a practicing Catholic. I am not. There was a time in this country when we had the rule of law, but no more. I acknowledge and admire your moral stance, but we're dealing with the law here. The rights of individuals must be recognized and respected. Life is rarely black and white. I am of the opinion that MOST women want to have and keep a baby, but reality sometimes prevents that from happening. Individual women either have autonomy or they do not. That's the black and white part of the calculation. When it comes to government policy, utopia is never an option.
A most unpersuasive argument, if that's what you call it. Judging from your post here, it's a safe bet you've never studied the Ninth. Being just one sentence, it's really very easy to understand if English is one's primary language.
Consider this scenario--a woman becomes pregnant with a child she knows she cannot properly raise. She can barely support herself, has no particular family to help her raise a child. Where is the morality in bringing another unwanted child into the cruel world?
The world has always been cruel. Why would it be better to a kill life in the womb rather than to give him birth and let him and the mother struggle as we all do? Many great men and women have lived extremely difficult lives yet still were blessings to our thousands of years long human family.
FoxHastings said: ↑ Well you and your "we" have had about 2,000 years and you haven't stopped it yet !!! LOL, your mystical "we" was NOT soley responsible for ending slavery....and some of your "we" want to make slaves of women by banning abortion... that's dodging the FACT : you and your "we" have had about 2,000 years and you haven't stopped it yet !!! That doesn't mean they have to. No, it isn't but IF women are FORCED to gestate THAT IS SLAVERY.
Well you and your "we" have had about 2,000 years and you haven't stopped it yet !!! We stopped slavery in Judeo/Christian countries after more than 2000 years, we'll stop abortion as well. Pro-abortion types are on the wrong side of history, you're already a minority.
Pro-abortion people seem to think we pro-life people have no feelings for those effected by abortion, they're wrong! For us it's a moral issue and morals issues effect everyone, not just the women involved. Almost everyone from the teen years and above have experienced the issue in their personal lives, or in their families, or in their communities, or among friends. Since I'm nearly 80 years old I've had many such experiences. One with a teen age girl, a personal friend, who performed a self abortion and nearly bled to death. The world was not kind to pregnant teens in the 60s. The second involved a fellow worker at a small aerospace company in the early 70s. She was an Israeli citizen in her late 20s or early 30s. She, her very young daughter, and her husband, who finishing up his PhD at Cornell, lived worked and studied in America for a few years. During that time she became pregnant again and since they planned a trip back to their home country she decided it was too inconvenient to be pregnant just then, so she aborted the child, saying no big deal she could always get pregnant again. She had absolutely no concern for the life growing in her womb. She, like the vast majority of abortions performed in our perverted culture, killed a living growing human inside her strictly because the developing baby was a nuance, something to be torn apart and discarded on an ash heap. No matter the reason an abortion is performed in every case at least one person is killed, usually with violence.
I understand all that, and agree as far as it goes. Now if you can explain the morality of deliberately bringing an unwanted child into this world? If you would rather not try to explain that, I understand.
FoxHastings said: ↑ Well you and your "we" have had about 2,000 years and you haven't stopped it yet !!! LOL, your mystical "we" was NOT soley responsible for ending slavery....and some of your "we" want to make slaves of women by banning abortion... YOU are dodging the FACT : you and your "we" have had about 2,000 years and you haven't stopped it yet !!! No, it isn't but IF women are FORCED to gestate THAT IS SLAVERY. Yes, it took more than 2000 years as you admit... AND IF women are FORCED to gestate THAT IS SLAVERY. How? It hasn't been stopped for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years... Whatever TF that means ????? If we were, abortion would be banned and end ....it hasn't
Everyone except the woman who is pregnant .. If it affects anyone besides the woman then they must be really nosy, interferring phsycho controllers. HERE IS A SHOCKER for you: Women were NOT put on earth to please you and have babies. Women owe you NOTHING. They do NOT owe the world kids...they are not cattle. Oh, really...at 80 YES AND IF ABORTION WAS LEGAL SHE COULDE HAVE HAD A SAFE ONE AND LIVED Did you enjoy that? No ,there isn't...
She did live, we helped her get proper healthcare. If she had cared enough about the life she created as much as she cared about continuing to have irresponsible casual sex she would not have been in danger. No, it's easier to just kill someone.
FoxHastings said: ↑ Everyone except the woman who is pregnant .. If it affects anyone besides the woman then they must be really nosy, interferring phsycho controllers. HERE IS A SHOCKER for you: Women were NOT put on earth to please you and have babies. Women owe you NOTHING. They do NOT owe the world kids...they are not cattle. Oh, really...at 80 YES AND IF ABORTION WAS LEGAL SHE COULDE HAVE HAD A SAFE ONE AND LIVED Nit picking when you have nothing else. OK , she would not have had to perform a self abortion and not risked her health ( ISN'T HER LIFE PRECIOUS,TOO) IF ABORTION HAD BEEN LEGAL. As TEENAGERS have done since the beginning of time No one is killed in an abortion but lots of women die in pregnancy and birthing.....and for lack of safe abortions. Is that important to you? Bet not.
From another thread: Which best describes your view on abortion * A woman has the right to choose to get an abortion with no limitations. 36 vote(s) 48.0% Abortion should be illegal after the first trimester 13 vote(s) 17.3% Abortion should be illegal except to preserve the health and life of the mother. 21 vote(s) 28.0% Abortion should be illegal in all circumstances. 5 vote(s) 6.7% WHO is a minority?
I bet that pro-abortion group polled was really unbiased. Morals are nice and all...until they become inconvenient. They're only for easy decisions, right? BTW, what's with the '80, really' about? More biased snark from the pro-abortion sect?
I bet the AntiChoicers polled were really unbiased...not. You can have all the definitions of "morals" you want but YOUR "morals" are not everyones and since YOU don't rule the earth you're stuck with other people's morals , too Yup, snarky comments about an 80 year old sooooooooooo interested in what teenage girls do...
You're getting desperate, Fox. I'm just watching our ever more perverse culture and the enlightened elites trying mightily to hang on to the worship ritual of child sacrifice
