It's stupid because the wording creates an "inconsistency" for anti-abortionists to exploit. It would have been simple to create wording that specified more severe punishment for assaulting a pregnant woman, but that would not have suited the agenda of the anti-abortionists. However, it remains that regardless of the exploitation by anti-abortionists, the public has made it plain that abortion choice is here to stay, as for example, elections in South Dakota and Colorado overwhelmingly defeating personhood bills.
So their goal in punishing those who would savagely kill cildren in utero should have been to protect Roe at all costs? Don't you see how ridiculous that is?
Dude .. there is no "baby" in the early stages of pregnancy. Obviously after a rape a woman is going to have an abortion done as soon as possible. No baby, no harm, no foul.
The false premise is that there is some kind of consensus among Subject matter experts that a zygote is a baby. There is no such consensus.
No, what your alleged subject matter experts think is irrelevant. The fact that you admit they don't even agree just drives that point home.
I have not found a single subject matter expert that agrees with that a zygote is "a human", but there may be a few out there somewhere. The point is that your claim that a zygote is "a human" is not believed by a vast majority of biologists. The claim that a zygote is "a human" is not even taken seriously by biologists according to statements in links that I have given you. Experts aside, I have yet to see even a coherent argument in support of zygote personhood. I would be interested in seeing one if you have found any.
Of course you don't because that is like looking in a mirror. As evidenced by what? You are forgetting, no, you are denying the evidence you, yourself have provided. Now why would an honest person do that?
I personally have no problem with executing legally proven rapists. I do have a problem with the POSSIBLE death of one singly young women due to an illegal abortion. I prefer to see the removal of 1,000,000 fetuses to the death of one young lady who seeks an illegal abortion. I remember the days when abortion was illegal. You want to see something horrid and really nasty, watch a 13 year old female bleed to death because of a botched abortion attempted with a clothes hanger.
Since abortion IS legal, it does not meet your requirements for murder. It might be considered killing, if you are among those that foolishly believe a fetus is a human being. And since it is not a crime and not a human, there can be no malice involved at all.
Why worry about what the bible says? The bible is not American law. And the nonsense of "endowed by our creator" was just that, doublespeak legalese of the time. In fact,you will often find such nonsense in any legal document of the time. You have to recall, that the majority of the fools of the period were superstitious to the point of believing all the nonsense about gods and angels and demons and the mythological nonsense from ancient times.
There is no "person inside her". She is pregnant by a violent horrifying person, and has no need to have the mental pain and anguish of being FORCED to have that criminals child. You wish to inflict as much or more pain on women that the rapist did originally. You are a horrible person. Oh, and you are ignored. I do not care to converse with uncaring, unthinking, "people".
Well that is a stupid thing to say when numerous laws prove you completely wrong. Look up fetal homicide laws, and teh Federal Unborn Victims of Violence Act.
I think you made a mistake there friend. She is on your side. Maybe you meant to address a different poster.
What is stupid is stating that fetal homicide laws grant rights or are relevant to abortion, but you well know this already. It is puzzling why you continue to willingly post fallacies.
The one thing I keep seeing here is simple. The same old stuff. I mean what on earth goes through you peoples heads? None of what you say makes any coherent sense. Not really to say I do much better. I mean to say abortion is lawful after I made clear Life Liberty Pursuit of happiness? LIFE! Now for those who say all about there is no life I made it clear that even the "experts" who do it admit to killing. For those who said I forgot a reason and that was fear. I say thanks you were right. But that could pertain to any of those previous things. Add fear and you get an even worse version of those. As for those talking about gruesome illegal abortions. The answer is simple they shouldn't be even attempt it its stupid and legal or illegal it shouldn't be done. If a girl tries any of them. Her fault. For Okgranny who speaks of the bible passage, if you look in the original Hebrew then you will find the word used means sexual intercourse not particularly forced sexual intercourse. Further more, Why can't anyone make something worth while? is how I feel when I look through the arguments and see people speaking of 1,000,000 fetus's then one girl. I would rather see none OK? It makes sense if the girl is sensible once again I mean it feels like I am argueing with robots Woman can control her body Woman can control her body Woman can control her body Woman can control her body. And then There is no life There is no life There is no life There is no life There is no life. And then oh no PIES! ITS SO HORRIBLE! uh..... I mean please just stop making argument that have already been refuted.
It's unfortunate that we have to keep saying the same thing, but since we keep getting the same reply that's what happens. You know there's really nothing new to be said, all we can do is try to explain it a different way so you will understand. It would be helpful if you would use the quote feature so that we know what you're talking about.
Well the problem is that we tell you what our rationale is, then you tell us that we don't know what we are talking about and that we are all just big bad boogie men who want to control women. Such dishonest retorts on your part lead us to beleive that you are projecting, and that you are actually ,in fact, lying about your own rationale just as you lie about ours. So there is no reason to trust that what you post is what you actually mean. It is much more just debate posturing, but is all false nonetheless.
OOOOPS--Yes, I did not mean to ignore OK GRANIE, that was indeed a mistake and I apologize. When I get the email about new posts it does not delete the posts of those I do have ignored. When I read on of them and don't look closely at the name, then click to go to the forum - the forum deletes that post and shows the next one. I usually catch it, but in this case I did not. Now I have to figure out who I meant to ignore, woe is me.
