That is what you call getting smacked down like you just did? Distraction? Is a zygote a human being?
If abortion is homicide, then every miscarriage is the death of a human, and very potentially a homicide or if not, manslaughter. If abortion is homicide, then every pregnancy would have to be registered with the government as a birth, and every miscarriage reported as a death. As in all deaths, a cause of death will need to legally declared, and whether or not the 'death' was caused by some action of someone- too many cups of coffee? If the mother is dieting too much, or jogging too much. Hurray for government intrusion into the private lives of all Americans. That is what you are calling for.
Ah the nonsense of the pro choice position begins to becopme more evident. I suppose every heart attack and cancer death is a homicide too. How is a miscarriage (an accidental one) a homicide when homicides have to be caused by another person? - - - Updated - - - Not by my definition, by any definition that has any credibility.
I'm not interested in what the raging masses have to say. (appeal to the raging masses fallacy) LOL What part of my counter argument is weak ? and why. Why do you continue to spout opinion without substance ? What I am claiming is that you have provided no evidence in support of your claim that the single cell at conception is a living human. Scientific or otherwise. Although I have made the counter case, and you have even attempted to address my counter case with anything other than "no no no .. its not true", the onus is not on me to do this. The onus is on you to prove your premise.
Well brainless people apparently do not get that homicides are not all illegal. Shhhh.....I'm gonna get to that.[/QUOTE]
Again, you sre simply wrong. Read up on fetal homicide laws. In fact there could not be any such thing as a fetal homicide law, uless fetuses are human beings. Since all homicides involve the killing of a human being, the fact that there are fetal homicide laws proves legally that fetuses are human beings and all killings of fetuses by other human beings are homicides. Read them and weep: http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx "child in utero" "unborn child" These terms do not describe human beings???????? CHECKMATE!
As you have decided to attempt a table turn, and it is very clear your position is not valid....I will play along just to end the joke you have been promoting. No...A Zygote is not a human being....it is a Zygote, thus we as a society and species have differentiated the two creatures into separate terms. Until we can agree on basic terminology, let alone science there is no point in trying to teach you as your ability to form rational thought is not up to par with what is considered as norm. What you see as a "Smack Down", seems rather strange as well...perhaps something I do not perceive due to a complete and functional brain capable of filtering and logical thought. You seem a bit boring, as the tactics you use are predictable and well established....I request you kick it up a notch.
Read above, then spin your usual nonsense trying to pretend that fetal homicide laws do not exist, but they do whether you like them or not. SO...abortions are clearly homicides. You have no logical basis to claim otherwise. - - - Updated - - - Read above, "a human being at any stage of development" "a child in utero at any stage of development" terms from fetal homicide laws that prove you COMPLETELY wrong. One example: Arizona- "define negligent homicide, manslaughter and first and second degree murder. The law specifies that the offenses apply to an unborn child at any stage in its development".
No, you weep...because abortion is legal....have you notified your Senator or Representative yet to change the law to state that abortion is homicide or murder or whatever you want it to be ?? Have ya? or are you just going to whine and play with words for no reason whatsoever.... You can call anything you want....abortion is legal.... You can also weep and roll around on the ground in agony because women are free to have all the sex they want with anyone they want and you can't
Skippy, I have never claimed it is not legal. What I am asserting is that it is a homicide, which I have proven true. As was pointed out earlier, slavery was once legal also and African AMericans were claimed not to be human beings also. Thankfully our society evolved beyond that nonsense. We will eventually evolve beyond pro abortion nonsense as well. Your nanny nanny boo boo response is unfortunate. I thought you were an adult. My mistake.
This is another fallacy. (appeal to authority) That some court in some backward part of Mississippi makes a law that a single cell at conception is a living human on the basis of religious belief has nothing to do with science. Courts make dumb laws all the time. Did you have any scientific basis for your premise ?
I am well aware of state fetal homicide laws....it would seem more clear on them than you are on Federal Law. I will also point out these are "Fetal" homicide laws...not "Human Being" homicide laws, as those are already in place. So, the next question for you to avoid....If a Zygote/Fetus/Fertilized egg is a Human being, why the extra laws?
WHOA! ""SKIPPY"""? Churchmouse is that you? The MIA poster Churchmouse used to call everyone "Skippy" HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.....
Well if you will read, you will see that I was responding to a claim that abortion is not a homicide legally, when that simply cannot be true. - - - Updated - - - Not me Skippy. I see you have nothing more to add to your dishonest line of BS. I win again.
Obviously because the erroneous abortion ruling muddied the water. Thankfully fetal homicide laws clear it up proving that fetuses are human beings. A homicide law can only pertain to the death of a human being.
That abortions are homicides? - - - Updated - - - Says the guy who was just evicerated and has nowhere else to go with his dishonest position.
Abortion is a homicide? Yeah pretty much. I can agree with that. Killing of one human by another human. But there are many legal homicides for good reason. War is essentially legal homicide, taking someone off of life support could be considered legal homicide, executing a prisoner is a legal homicide, killing in self defense is legal homicide and abortion is a legal homicide. We are allowed to kill others in certain situations. What's your point?
Why is it like pulling teeth with no anesthetic to get you people to admit abortions are homicides? They obviously are! I am simply saying that there is so much dishonesty in the so called "pro-choice" position that npo meaningful discussion can take place. This admission that abortions are homicides is a move toward honesty from the pro abortion crowd.
Now we can move on to whether or not an abortion intentional homicide is justifiable or not. They bear no resemblance to self defense exceptions, since women are not in imminent danger of loss of life typically, so why are they justifiable?
Lets read what the article actually says- rather than your rather creative editing: The debate over fetal rights is (note the very article that you cite calls this a debate) not new to the legislative arena. Every year pro-life and pro-choice advocates vie for the upper hand in this contentious issue. In recent years, states have expanded this debate to include the issue of fetuses killed by violent acts against pregnant women. In some states, legislation has increased the criminal penalties for crimes involving pregnant women. These laws have focused on the harm done to a pregnant woman and the subsequent loss of her pregnancy, but not on the rights of the fetus. Other legislation has defined the fetus as a person under fetal homicide or "feticide" laws. Such legislation is hotly debated under names such as the Fetal Protection Act, the Preborn Victims of Violence Act and the Unborn Victim of Violence Act. Those supporting these acts, often pro-life advocates, say that both the lives of the pregnant woman and the fetus should be explicitly protected. They assert that fetal homicide laws justly criminalize these cases and provide an opportunity to protect unborn children and their mothers. Those on the other side feel that laws to protect a fetus could become a "slippery slope" that could jeopardize a woman's right to choose an abortion. Pro-choice advocates say such laws grant a fetus legal status distinct from the pregnant woman - possibly creating an adversarial relationship between a woman and her baby. They are also concerned that the laws could be interpreted to apply to a woman's behavior during her pregnancy (such as smoking, drinking or using drugs). They prefer criminalizing an assault on a pregnant woman and recognizing her as the only victim. Currently, at least 38 states have fetal homicide laws. The states include: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia and Wisconsin. At least 23 states have fetal homicide laws that apply to the earliest stages of pregnancy ("any state of gestation," "conception," "fertilization" or "post-fertilization"); these are indicated below with an asterisk (*). So once again- legally you are wrong- in at least 27 states and therefore you have started off not debating this issue honestly. For someone who raises the issue of honesty prominantly, you have managed to demonstrate your lack of committment to it from the first post.
I see, so your defense of position is that science, the supreme court, much of your peer group, and general consensus is wrong because you say so. You sir....just lost a debate, and that is what we call.....A Smack Down.
