Heh....okay, no point in continuation. So much for using the dictionary.....we can just decide what the definition means anyway.
I didn't decide it. That was the definition from Webster's dictionary that you posted: "an extremely young child" There you have it. A fetus can be called a baby, because a baby just means an extremely young child, and a fetus is about as young as a child can get. I didn't make these definitions up.
Yup...you are correct. An egg is a very your bird, or reptile. A sperm is a very young animal. A Cell is a very young sperm. Homo Erectus was a very young Homo Sapiens.....and Bonobos are very young Homo Erectus. Got it
You failed to mention the following item to your cherry picked one, - "an extremely young child; especially : infant" the semi colon only indicates a prolonged pause not the end of the comment, it then lists an example of "an extremely young child" ie an infant .. simple English, or are you proposing that a fetus is also an infant? The onlt reason pro-life people use 'baby' is to envoke a mental image of some sweet, cuddly thing in peoples minds thus forming the emotional response associated with the thought of killing a new born .. usually one of disgust. Baby is not an equally valid term to fetus, one describes a pre-born the other a post born, what you are saying is akin to someone saying a teenager is an equal term to a pensioner.
Well, you just sit and chant, "It's called a child, it's called a child, it's called a child ".....and see what happens.....
Now try figuring out what that use of "especially" means. I'll give you a hint. It does not mean "only". It stops short of "only". . I don't propose a fetus is an infant. Rather a baby has various stages, first fetus, then infant, then toddler etc. - - - Updated - - - I'm just saying what the words mean.
Maybe if I said an infant is a fetus. It is actually akin to saying that a senior is a person, and a teenager is also a person. They are in different stages.
Indeed I am! Yes. No. It fails to meet the criteria because it only has half of a genetic set. Sure, why not. It depends on what you mean by young. Young as a species? Sure. On an individual level they are different species altogether.
I suppose you did avoid the term infant, instead using Baby and Child. And, rather than outright calling said fetus either, you instead call others wrong when they correct someone for doing so...which would seem to indicate you feel the terms were correctly applied. Simply put,,,,you are claiming abortion involves a baby. According to the accepted definition of "Baby" you are incorrect, and have thus redefined the term to fit your position.
I've already showed you the definitions that show baby and child as valid terms. Here have some more. baby: 5. a human fetus. 1 a (1) : an extremely young child; especially : infant (2) : an extremely young animal http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/baby?s=t child: a son or daughter of any age: http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/child?q=child Definition of CHILD 1 a : an unborn or recently born person http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/child child Etymology: AS, cild 1 a person of either sex between the time of birth and adolescence. 2 an unborn or recently born human being; fetus; neonate; infant. 3 an offspring or descendant; a son or daughter or a member of a particular tribe or clan. 4 one who is like a child or immature. Mosby's Medical Dictionary, 8th edition. © 2009, Elsevier. http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/child
I already know what it means. In that case you are wrong, a baby is a baby and not a collective of all the various stages .. if you had said a human being or homo sapien has various stages then you would be correct. Generally it is called a baby from being born to around three months, then it becomes an infant, new born is a sub section of baby usually lasting for around 28 days. The origin of the word baby comes from the Middle English babe, which in turn comes from the word baba (or similar) which is Ottoman Turkish and is related to some of the first sounds made by a "baby", so it has no relation to a fetus at all
Again an infant is not a fetus, and you would be better saying all of these are various stages of development of the species homo sapien .. that is factually correct, the rest is not.
I have no idea why you keep arguing after I showed you multiple dictionaries that specifically allow for the unborn person to be called a baby... You can try your semantical revisionism all day, but you'll not get anywhere until you can stop popular usage of the word in that context. A lot of people use the word baby for a fetus.
they may do, it still doesn't make it correct though .. just as using gay to describe a homosexual is incorrect so is using baby to describe a fetus, it is done to purely to invoke a mental image that further invokes a negative response to abortion, and in a debate of this type I find it dishonest
This kind of idiocy is why you simply cannot argue logically with most pro abortion folks. A sperm cannot be a person unless it creates a zygote, likewise for an egg. Once a sperm fertilizes an egg and the zygote is formed, a person exists. REad some science books for cryin out loud!
Bury your head in the ground like an ostrich if you wish, but there is no logical argument against the fact that a zygote, fetus, embryo, etc... is a human being. Any talk to the contrary is ignoranty meaningless chatter.
The stupidity just keeps on getting worse. So when a woman refers to her unborn child in her womb as her "baby" she is doing so to invoke a negative mental image of abortion? Even you should see how delusional making these statements makes you look. - - - Updated - - - Great so you agree a zygote, embryo, fetus is a human being, baby, person? If not, YOU should look up the concept of sarcasm.
What does that have to do with imminent threat of phsyical harm or death? These are the qualifications for a self defense defense for committing a homicide. - - - Updated - - - Quit whining and blowing smoke and explain how a human being is somehow less of a human being just because of his/her age.
This list is meaningless. You run the risk of being shot every time you walk down the street, does that justify you shooting everyone who walks by you on the street? Each case should be scrutinized and women should not be allowed to do the equivalent of shooting the next guy who walks by because he could potentially rape or shoot her.
This is where the dishonesty comes in clearly. Attached is your post from the thread concerning the study showing higher instance of suicide among women having abortions: " Originally Posted by Pasithea Women need to know that having an abortion isn't killing anyone. Fetuses are not people. But we have pro-lifers here who want to make women believe fetuses are people and make women feel like they are murderers. If a woman kills herself over an abortion she had it's probably because of pro-life propaganda and pro-lifers only have themselves to blame for women committing suicide over something that is NOT a crime."
