Abortion is evil? WHY?

Right to life is a basic human right.
Out side of rape, incest, health of the mother. I don't see what justifies abortion.
Other than people are just so resistant to personal responsibility.

 

My choice does not involve the destruction of another intelligent being. It involves my own destruction that is the difference. I am not continuing my own progeny I am continuing the life another being that is separate from me. I have no interest in propagation or success of progeny once I am dead, for my interest, being dependent on my existence dies with me. However, my love may live on independent of my knowledge or interest.

 

You may think it is expendable but I do not. You can't even distinguish intelligent human life from other intelligent species. I understand that I need to consume, often other intelligent beings to survive. It is the nature of life. The difference is you willingly sacrifice eminent human intelligence for a whim. You adopt a thought process of death and wanton consumption for the sake of pleasure. You value the pleasure of minutes to the life of another. You are no better than the hunter who kills deer for sport. Your pleasure is yours to define but it is also mine to reject as an acceptable societal practice. I choose to only consume the necessary energy to sustain myself, you choose to destroy autonomous cells who only seek a life of their own. The irony is you now reject the very same process which brought you into existence. You hold the views of a narcissist and one who hates their own species.

 

Is YOUR life "sacred"? Do you think that you are worthy of life, yet believe that an unborn child is not worthy? If so, you must think quite a lot of yourself. You seem to feel that you can judge which lives are and are not worthy. I suspect that you are CERTAIN that you're worthy of life. Therein lies the reason why abortion is evil! Abortion by its very nature is the decision by one person that another person has no right to live. Abortion cheapens the value of all lives, not just that of unborn children. No human being has a right to take an innocent human life! What's good for the goose is good for the gander. A person who takes the value of an innocent human life cheaply, may find that others take his/her life just as cheaply.

 

Child marriage advocates in Saudi Arabia don't have to prove anything. The law is on their side - YOU have to prove the law is wrong.

Any kind of sexual activity outside marriage is illegal in Saudi Arabia, but there is no restriction on the age of marriage.[60] For instance, in 2008 a Saudi court refused to annul a marriage between an 8 year old girl and a 58 year old man.[61] A prohibition on marriage under the age of 14 was being considered by the Ministry of Justice in late 2008. According to cleric Ahmad Al-Mu’bi, the appropriate minimum age for sex "varies according to environment and traditions."[60]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Asia#Saudi_Arabia

 

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Why do Anti-Choicers think abortion is "evil".

Simple: Because WOMEN do it.


It just burns their butts to think of women having that much power and control.If they can convince Really Stupid People that it's evil they can shame women, their favorite pastime.

 

I do not know why you would think that destruction of a human cell is sacrificing human intelligence. A cell does not have a brain so it hardly so it does not have anything remotely classifiable as human intelligence.

I think I see where you are going with this but it is woefully misguided. You claim that you must kill cells are requisite to survive. What you do not state is that you do not need to kill intelligent life in order to survive.

You could just eat plant material, but for your own pleasure (assuming you do this) you eat other higher order animals that you really do not need to eat to sustain life.

The argument you are making here is more for veganism than for abortion.

Typing on the computer is destroys cells.

I do not reject the process of reproduction. If two people want to reproduce they should do so and I have no problem with that.

What I will say is that it is much better for those two people to reproduce at a time when they are ready to have a child, or with a person they want to have a child with rather than letting nature choose. This will increase the probability of the child being raised in a more functional environment and improve society as a whole.

 

There is no intelligent being as far as abortion is concerned, it may have the potential to become an intelligent being under the right conditions.
You are continuing your genetic line though, a separate life that is connected to you on the genetic level .. as you have already stated you would not do the same for another human being, so in essences your reason is a selfish one to continue your genetic legacy. Your interests after death is irrelevant, it is your interest at the time you make the choice that is relevant and that interest is based in the need to continue your line.
Your love dies with you, love is not a separate entity from the physical person .. unless you believe in the soul and then that takes this right back to the religious basis of the pro-life stance.

 

You assume far to much . .my life is worth only as much as another puts upon it, exactly the same as your life or any other person living.
Nature does not see my life as sacred in any way, shape or form .. it would chew me up and spit me out just as easily as anyone or anything else.
The problem is the human race has set itself high upon a pedestal, thinking it is so much better than everything else, and that delusion comes straight from the erroneous religious rule book .. How arrogant of us to assume that everything on this planet was put here merely to satisfy our whims, we are nothing more than just another cog in the 'machine', nothing more, nothing less.

We take human life cheaply every-single-day, from the executions performed to the wars going on .. how many innocents have died in the name of God, how many innocents have died in the name of freedom, how may innocents have died simply because some people think that their way is the best way and all should abide by it, either by choice or by the barrel of a gun.

What really sickens me is this false wailing and screaming for the unborn while they sit there watching and promoting the death of others .. Pro-life is the most hypocritical agenda ever dredged from the cesspool of humans imagination.

 

You impress me as a very unhappy and confused person. I'm sorry for you. Since you believe that one form of life is of equal value to any other, perhaps you should move some cows, fish, and squirrels into your home/apartment. Afterall, they have as much right to that space as you do, right?

 

Those who believe a zygote to be a human being and sacred have a perfect right to that belief. Within their definition of how the universe functions, they are right. When they announce that I must accept their belief and govern my life accordingly, I disagree and I have as much right to my belief as they do to theirs. In particular, I reject their belief that human life, any human life, is sacred. I do not ask that those who believe in sacred human life give up their belief, but, as I don't believe in god, their belief has nothing to do with me and I completely refuse to govern my life by their belief. Now, I'm sure we will hear that morality is then impossible. Not so. It is likely that those who believe as I do spend more time wrestling with the morality of their actions than those who belief their morality was handed to them by forces beyond reason.

 

Personal insults and ridiculous scenarios prove how desperate you are.......sounds like you lost the debate....

 

Actually I am a very happy person and I have little confusion, and as you know nothing about how I live my life you also have no idea as to how I share my living space.

Now instead of just trying to address me, why don't you address my comment, and if you can dispute it.

Dispute that nature regards the human race as not any "higher" than any other living thing.
Dispute that the human race has placed itself upon a pedestal, of its own making I will add.
Dispute that the human race regards this planet as being here purely for its entertainment, to do with as we please.
Dispute that this arrogance comes straight from 101 religious dogma
Dispute that we take innocent life every single day
Dispute that we enforce our way of thinking onto other by the barrel of a gun
Dispute that pro-lifers have little or no concern with life after it is born.

when you can, then perhaps this debate can move on.

 

“The greatest destroyer of peace is abortion because if a mother can kill her own child, what is left for me to kill you and you to kill me? There is nothing between.

If we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people to not kill each other? Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching its people to love, but to use any violence to get what they want. This is what is the greatest destroyer of peace today: abortion.

The so-called right to abortion has pitted mothers against their children and women against men. It has sown violence and discord at the heart of the most intimate human relationships. It has aggravated the derogation of the father's role in an increasingly fatherless society. It has portrayed the greatest of gifts--a child--as a competitor, an intrusion and an inconvenience. It has nominally accorded mothers unfettered dominion over the dependent lives of their physically dependent sons and daughters. And, in granting this unconscionable power, it has exposed many women to unjust and selfish demands from their husbands or other sexual partners.”
— Mother Teresa

"Abortion on demand has, in my judgment, contributed significantly to an environment in our country in which life has become very cheap."
— Robert Casey, Democratic Party Senator

"Abortion and racism are both symptoms of a fundamental human error. The error is thinking that when someone stands in the way of our wants, we can justify getting that person out of our lives. Abortion and racism stem from the same poisonous root, selfishness."
— Alveda King, niece of Martin Luther King Jr.

 

Enthusiastic supporters of abortion demand supremacy for women, even at the cost of their own little child’s life.

The government has always protected human life, yet pro-choice abortionists want the government to make an exception for them. When should the taking of innocent human life not be punished by the government? Yet apparently there are those who believe the unborn are sub-human and worthy of extermination on the whims and mere convenience of the mother. If wholescale state-sanctioned termination on a class of human beings isn’t oppression, I don’t know what is.




fetus at 12 weeks that came out after an induced labor abortion:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nhh7vwNO4nE/TdX2eYwXthI/AAAAAAAAACw/dxkwg7ttUF8/s1600/mmmmmmmmmmmmmar.jpg

It's much tinier than it looks in the picture, that "cloth" in the background is actually just a little piece of gauze.

 

How misogynistic to lay the blame on women for human's propensity to kill.
Sure sounds like you hate women, blaming them for all killing....trying to get men off the hook?

You can't.

 

Easy, when that human life is not infringing on someone's autonomy via attempted murder, or by rape, or by pregnancy.

 

YOU SAID THE LAW WAS WRONG AS YOU WANTED TO ALLOW LATE TERM ABORTIONS REMEMBER.

YOU SAID THIS.....Overpopulation is a huge problem in China, which one would assume is being helped by the one child rule. But then, forcing a woman to have an abortion is horrific - just as horrific as forcing her to bear a child she doesn't want.”

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Just for kicks...I keep a running list of the personal slams you throw out to pro-lifers. Would you like me to post a few .......a few hundred.

????????????

 

From post #31 """Threads that resort in back and forth baiting and insulting other members may be shut down.""""


Now, care to tell me how you plan to "stop" abortions?????

 

Who told you that?

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It is not conscious, thus it is not theft of any kind that should concern us.

Yeah... so?

How is it selfish?

 

That's rather absurd. A fetus at any stage is a homosapien. A human being is a homosapien, unless you have some strangely elaborate definition of 'human being.'

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Why should human rights be respected? You also have a right to education at particular ages. Seems rather arbitrary and relative to me.

Why only these things?

I'm not. I'm only resistant to idiocy, which I find the lifer position to be based upon.

 

Why do you believe there is nothing between? How can you possibly rationalize that idiocy?

Because we tell they ought to recognize and respect beings that value their own lives. A fetus never has and never will.

Wrong.

LOL Total emotive nonsense.

I dont want colourful copies of other people's opinions - I just want yours mate.

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Where the person cannot have an interest in their existence.

Nice set of medical accouterments you have there. Oh that baby is so tiny and cute. How adorable. Interesting how small they are. Oh well, if they die, it is up to their mother. If you dont think so, how about you tell me why abortion is wrong?

 

She never has and never will tell anyone why she thinks abortion is wrong, let alone defend that opinion.

 

Nope.

What do you mean "worthy"? Worthy is subjective.

Are you a pacifist? What you have just said is that any devaluing of human life is evil and any ending of it, equally so. Thus, you must be a complete pacifist.

Why?