Abortion is evil? WHY?

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  1. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    as there is no hard evidence to suggest that a fetus is a person, or that any late term abortions are elective, or that women use abortion as birth-control or that pro-choicers LOVE abortion .. it doesn't stop you from repeating them time after time after time again.

    This is exactly what I mean, show me one single comment from me where I say i "love" abortions, where as you have posted numerous comments showing your misogynist feelings towards woman eg calling some or all of them sluts just because they don't agree with your delusions.

    You know absolutely nothing about these woman, yet you judge them.
     
  2. MegadethFan

    MegadethFan Well-Known Member

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    If you find the two equivalent, can you explain why? THEN can you tell me why you think both are wrong?

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    Im asking you. You dont have an answer do you?

    I dont subscribe to that.
     
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    MegadethFan Well-Known Member

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    This is ridiculous. I KNOW they are human - I never said otherwise. That IS NOT the tpic of this thread. Can you not read properly? The topic is, WHY is abortion evil? If you say this has been answered "millions" of times show me ONE example. Please. I really want to see the reason, because you have never given or stated a reason why - you always avoiding answering the question

    If you think my position is wrong, tell me why?

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    Why do you think abortion is evil? I am not left wing btw.
     
  4. MegadethFan

    MegadethFan Well-Known Member

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    Technically there is nothing wrong with that, no. Practically there is. I can elaborate if you wish.

    Its not that they cant explain - its that they have never actually started/tried/even written one reason why abortion is wrong. I WANT lifers to prove me wrong. But their only response EVER has been to accept that killing anyone is ok and apply it to stupid scenarios. Which means they either cant tell me or dont udnerstand the question is one they need to answer, not accept someone elses response and apply it accusing me that .
     
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    I wrote a lengthy reply to this post, but I unfortunately deleted it. I cant be bothered writing it all again at the moment so I will simply say this, then provide more substance later, that by definition, a zygote is human and by being human it is part of the species of homo sapiens and vice versa. There are plenty of doctors and bologists who assert this and it would be deeply erroneous to assert that not one doctor int he medical feild does.
     
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    MegadethFan Well-Known Member

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    Are you incapable of answering the question? Tell us, why is abortion evil?
     
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    Sam, rather than make silly comments and accusations please stay on topic.

    Why is abortion evil?
     
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    According to Hitler, it wasn't. Which kind of tells you which side of the argument these people fall on, doesn't it?
     
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    MegadethFan Well-Known Member

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    Figured that out yourself did you?

    You think he was wrong? I think he was wrong. Why do you think he was wrong? Ill tell you why I think he was wrong, if you can tell me your reason first.
     
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    Depends on the circumstances.
    It may be the greater evil to
    let a child be born into extreme poverty or drug/alcohol/sexual abuse.
    And what if the fetus was gay? Would you care then?
    What if born with mental/physical defect? Will you willingly provide care?
    Are you willing to provide food, housing and healthcare for this child if the parents are unable?
    Will you pay for this child's education?
    If you can answer yes to these questions, then perhaps you are "Pro-Life".
    If you can't answer yes to all these questions,
    then it's time to step down from your moral pedestal.
    If you don't care about these people after they are born...
    then do you honestly care about them before they are born?
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    The answers you are going to get to this will run along the lines of why should we pay, get off your welfare ass and go find a job, it isn't the place of government or other people to pay for your family.
     
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    In regard to abortion for convenience-sake, I personally think abortion is wrong because I believe that life starts at conception. I am not, however, against women who don't share my POV aborting their children. I just feel sorry for them and hope that they come to appreciate how precious life really is.
     
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    Those are the answers they will give.
    But they are not answers to any of the questions that I offered.
    I guess it's just the way their brains are wired (or shorted).
     
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    So....Oprah Winfrey, for instance, should have been aborted?

    If we discovered that gayness is attributable to a genetic cause, then we would be able to fix it before birth.

    Yes and have done so. Perhaps the greatest experience of my life.

    Food, housing and healthcare for those that mentally cannot do for themselves is what our SSI tax dollars SHOULD go to. Unfortunately most of the money goes to entitlements for the able bodied. It is a tragedy. However, YOU can help, find your community program that helps these folks and give $$$, or volunteer.

    See above.

    I say it's time for some folks to step UP.
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    Then you may be the exception to the rule, though I do have an issue with one of your comments above -

    Come back with that one when your number of jobs outstrips the number of people in the age employment bracket ie when you have more jobs than people.
     
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    We could discuss why your 'rule' seems to portray most folks as uncaring but that is another subject.

    You can take that one up with our 'dear leader' who seems to think that bolstering the economy is just a matter of government hiring more people and paying them by cranking up the presses.
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    Just basing it on the majority of comments on these very pages.

    Oh right so everything was rosy before :roll:
     
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    So the majority here (in your opinion) don't care about the plight of their fellow human beings? Hey, you guys hear that?

    Ahhh, the 'blame it on Bush' syndrome? LOL
     
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    MD, I'll only address that portion of your post that replied to me. The real issue here is twofold as I see it. The issue relates to (1) Moral Equivalence and (2) A regard for human life. As for "Moral Equivalence", do you differentiate between the stages at which abortions are performed? For instance, do you believe that an abortion performed when the baby is 9 months in its mother's womb is no different than one aborted at 3 months of age in the womb? The same as one aborted at 6 months, or 1 month? If you believe there's a difference, then you yourself are establishing limitations on abortion. If you see no difference between any of those examples, what criterion if any do you place on aborting a baby? We've seen recent examples in which actual births of babies have occurred, followed by the purposeful taking of the lives of those babies. The purposeful taking of an "innocent" human life should be considered "evil" under any circumstances. Otherwise, human life becomes of less value than a used car.
     
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    Fair enough.

    My response is, no i see no difference, and the principle i apply is that of considering if the fetus has a desire to be alive, which is established in its brain by having a standard of cognitive function. no fetus can have this cognitive ability until after birth, therefore it cant have any desire to be alive and therefore can be killed.

    Why? That is the question of this OP

    And what is bad about that? This is a serious and genuine question. I do not believe we need value for human life in order to be ethical - quite the opposite in fact
     
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    Why is life precious?
     
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    Why is life?
     
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    MegadethFan Well-Known Member

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    Can you answer my question or not? You can't can you?
     
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    Your question is irrelevant, all you did is crop part of my post and use it for an irrelevant question, I did the same with YOUR post. Apparently you can't either, can you?
     
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