Abortion is "the same as killing a child"???

You do know that the flood depicted in the OT is impossible don't you, and could not have been a natural disaster IF it did occur (which BTW we know it didn't)

 

Hey there Mr. Intelligent, prove that it did NOT happen. Or maybe get some help doing so by asking some of the WE you mentioned, who you say know it didn't happen. And I never said it WAS a Natural Disaster, speaking of the great flood, since I believe it was God's way of punishing the majority of those earliest people for their lifestyles. Natural disasters are what occur today, smaller from the viewpoint of not being essentially earth-ending, cyclic in nature, yet still quite significant.

 

Awwww, the bond between a newborn and his mom is so strong. This tiny life doesn't want to let go. At least he got a chance to know a mothers love. Many don't.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AMDfcCL-_Sw

 

Gosh you're good at being off topic....and all I saw in the video was an infant held against a woman's face...proving nothing....

But I agree there are children forced into this world to suffer from never knowing love...but then I didn't create the world , if I had I would've done a better job

 

Great video, I guess he really knew that was HIS mom. Precious.

 

Yay emotional fallacy totally unrelated to the issue of abortion!

 

Actually, its totally related. What you see is what get WITHOUT an abortion.

Maybe you'd like to post a heartwarming video of an abortion?

 

Your point being?

No, I'd rather avoid the emotional drivel. If you can't debate without using emotional fallacy or nasty little photoshopped pictures and videos to paint your point you're not a very good debater now are you?

 

Whats to debate? Simply making a comment on the subject. Nobody loses this argument except the unborn.

 

Not that they care.

It's the same as taking someone who's brain dead off life support. They really just don't care.

 

Appears the newborn in the video cares. If he can recognize his mother, makes you wonder what goes thru the mind of aborted babies just before they die.

Terrible to think of it that way. You're wise to refuse to believe they can feel anything.

 

Where in the video did the baby "recognize" his mother? How did it show it cared?
Answer: it didn't. It was a video of a baby being held against a woman's face , that's all it was....unless I had the sound too low and didn't hear it yell, "Hi Mom"

Did it?

 

Considering that most abortions occur at 6-9 weeks there is not yet any functioning mind to work with.

It's not so much wisdom but basic knowledge and understanding of fetal development and when abortions generally occur.

I don't remember anything before the age of 3, so how can we know that even before birth a fetus thinks or feels anything?

We can measure brain waves sure and observe pain stimulus, but it's just not as definitive as getting someone saying, "Ouch! That hurts!"


Look, nobody here has anything against women who choose to have their babies like the woman in the video. It's a beautiful and wonderful thing and it's exciting for some women to become new mothers. But for some women it is not an exciting or wonderful time, it is just a burden and stress. It takes money to have babies, that's the reality of it.

The number one reason women have abortions is due to financial reasons. If pro-lifers and pro-choicers worked together to pave the way for pregnant women to learn how to become financially stable and self-sufficient and capable of raising the babies they really want to have I think we would have a lot less abortions. Some women were just never given or had the opportunities others do to become self-sufficient and able bodied people to raise kids. Same with the men they might have gotten pregnant with, they too might need help to find jobs or get better education.

Perhaps instead of demonizing these women for seeking abortions we should ask them why they are having the abortion, if they really want to have it and how we can help them.

 

When Republicans make these suggestions, we're accused of staging a war on women.

I agree though, its much more palatable to think of abortions occurring at 6-8 weeks than 20 weeks.

 

Maybe you didnt notice the baby boy cried when he was pulled away from his mother. But stopped when he could touch her face again.

So sweet. Nothing like a mother's love.

 

What's your point? There's nothing like a mother's love...so?

When you have nothing to say you babble greeting card slogans???

 

What suggestions did Republicans make? The one that says all a woman has to do is keep an aspirin between her knees? THAT suggestion....?

 

Murder does not get you an eternal sentence any more than shoplifting or swearing or any other sin.

(Assuming you're referring to Christianity)

Your entrance to heaven is determined not by how much you sinned, or which particular sins you committed, but by whether or not you passed them to Jesus so that he could save you from them.

That's why it's pointless to go around saying, you're going to hell for this, you're going to hell for that, when in actuality, murderers can get into heaven.

And the high horses that say that gays will rot in hell, if homosexuality is even a sin in the first place, it can't be all that high on the list. They themselves are likely committing far worse sins. Harassing others and bullying them is a sin. Everyone is a sinner.

The one exception is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. That sends you to hell no matter what. Which seems a bit odd.

 

You really need help if you think murder is no worse than shoplifting, and I hope you get it before your life is over.

 

They don't have to be on life support or unborn to not care about getting killed. Nobody has a chance to care about being killed after they are get killed, right? Is somebody gets suddenly shot by a sniper and dies instantly, they don't care, do they?

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I didn't say that. Why don't you re-read my post. I said there's only one sin that guarantees you go to hell no matter what. And it's not murder.

 

I'll tell you what, kill someone and see if YOU don't go to hell. And there are three persons in the Holy Trinity, so blasphemy against any one of them is an equal offense.

 

Hey Gorn, come back and join the Prayer Meetin' and Hallmark moments ! ......it's a hoot!

 

Again an I request that you use the quote function otherwise it is nigh on impossible to know when you have responded to a comment;

As to the biblical flood not happening, well firstly there is not enough water on this planet to wholly submerge all land mass. I've seen answers to this fact along the lines of what if the oceans beds were raised and the landmass lowered and those who advocate this pointing to Psalms 104:8, as evidence, problem is Psalms 104:8 says the EXACT opposite - "The mountains rose; the valleys sank down to the place which You established for them. - New American Standard Bible. Even if both ice caps were to melt it would only raise the sea level by 60m, enough to flood large areas but certainly not enough to cover numerous mountain ranges.

Secondly there is no archeological evidence to suggest that the whole world was covered by water at the same time, there is evidence to show that parts of the world were submerged at various times, but no world covering.

Do I need to go on?

 

LOL, so funny .. are you now advocating that a newborn like a just hatched chick will imprint onto the first thing it sees, because you do know that a newborn will do this with ANY person who holds it.

Gotta love the emotional fallacies spewed out by those who have nothing else to offer.

 

"To care" requires a cognitive functionality, something a newborn does not have .. unless you can prove otherwise that is?

Pain and pleasure require the brain to decipher the nerve impulses and to have experience of those things in order to form a comparison against.