Abortion

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by Troianii, Jul 21, 2016.

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Which fits your view?

  1. I believe life begins before birth, abortion should be illegal.

    26.9%
  2. I believe life begins before birth, abortion should be legal

    51.3%
  3. Life begins at birth, abortion should be illegal.

    1.3%
  4. Life begins at birth, abortion should be legal.

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  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    And my answer went right over yours.......you didn't like it so you dismiss it....too bad.
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    and I 100% disagree, the fetus has no right to enslave another person in order to achieve it's goal .. I cannot do that to you, so why should a fetus be able to?

    The whole issue of abortion is not what the fetus 'is', but what it 'does'

    Roe basically places the fetus at a higher status than the female once a certain time frame has been reached, it allows the fetus to do something no other person is allowed to do REGARDLESS of the circumstances. It is like saying that if a woman allows a man to abuse her for 7 months then she cannot say 'no more' at 8 months, she has deemed to have accepted future abuse because she allowed it for 7 months before. :no:

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    There is no such thing as the right to life.
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    What utter hyperbole, do you support the right of one person to defend themselves against non-consented injuries, if so then you are a hypocrite for not supporting a pregnant females right to the same thing.
     
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    The reason that third trimester abortions are not performed often in Canada has nothing to do with state legal restrictions, it is the medical establishment that decides not the government and that is how it should be in the US.

    If the US were to remove any and all restrictions on abortion that does not mean there will be a rise in elective late term abortions, all it means is that the medical establishment should set the standards and rules.
     
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    Then you would be lying to them as picture two is not a true picture of a 20 week fetus.
     
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    The only fail is yours, blood transfusions and organ donations are done with the consent of the person donating blood or an organ, in the cases where the donor is dead then their pre-existing wishes (donor card) are followed or the consent of the next of kin is achieved, where as if I were to remove even a single drop of blood from you without consent then I have committed a crime.

    Seems you have no concept of what consent is and what it means.

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    Why, do they show them open heart surgery videos, or brain surgery videos?
     
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    Nope not arbitrary at all, you like all pro-lifers make the false assumption that the fetus is the victim when it is not, it is the fetus that injuries the female prior to her defending herself .. just as you can defend yourself up to and including deadly force if another person is inuring you. There is no more abuse in abortion than there is in your shooting someone who is injuring you.

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    Post what ever videos you like, they mean nothing more than watching a video of open heart surgery .. BTW state governments don't get to decide on constitutional rights.

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    Utter and complete rubbish.

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    Informal usage of the word "baby" in place of the correct word fetus does not change the reality that until birth the correct name for the unborn from 8 weeks to birth is fetus.

    Using the correct designation is in no way depersonalising or dehumanising .. that sound bite is just a pro-life propaganda tool.
     
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    So, you are of the opinion that only females who get raped should have an abortion?
     
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    Still too "inhuman" for you at 20 weeks?
     
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    Abortions are certainly issues that relate to older school age kids, not surgeries common in the 50+ crowd. What better tools to teach sexual morals and responsibilities to that age than an abortion information video?
     
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    "morals " should be taught at home.




    How about a video explaining EVERYTHING that happens to a woman when she becomes pregnant? That might put off a few from having unprotected sex....it causes way more harm and permanent effects than abortion.....don't you CARE?????????


    A person who has an abortion when they are too young or too poor to have a child IS being responsible.
     
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    You may kill all the unborn all you like in the UK, but I'm certainly not the only who believes human life begins at conception.

    It took Britain until 1833 to abolish slavery, whereas US States had begun to abolish it 50 years earlier. Perhaps your barbaric civil rights views can be influenced by our Pro-Life States in the same way they helped as a beacon of enlightenment over 200 years ago to end slavery.
     
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    What are these enlightened countries that believe personhood begins at conception?
     
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    Morals are not being taught at home or a most public schools in Progressive Liberal-Democrat areas. But such Democrats don't have any moral values worth talking about. (see my long-running post "What are Progressive Values?")

    I'm for sex education if the majority of the parents in a school vote for it. (I do not think there should be ANY federal, and hardly any state control of public schools BTW). I think the video of what even a 1st trimester abortion showing simple illustrations of the baby's head, arms and legs being ripped apart would be an excellent idea.

    Poverty is no reason not to keep a pregnancy in the US when there are bucket loads of $$$ for care available. Ignorance can be helped with knowledge and information.
     
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    I was going by the various US States with that view.

    Chile allows no abortions and has this view.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Chile
     
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    I was just learning you something!

    Anyway, I am for a "morning after pill"---certainly for rape, incest and those too young or unfit to have a baby. In ultra-rare cases where the women is actually going to be seriously harmed physically by the fetus, then it is okay. I am for the State deciding abortion matters. I am not for ANY federal tax monies being spent on abortions for anyone, anywhere outside of US government employees.
     
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    No modern country does it that way for a reason
     
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    I speak to those who are still in utero and could survive outside.
    About 25 weeks in a 40 week gestation.
    The idea of an abortion delivering a live, crying baby who is silenced is perverted. :rant:

    I reject the argument that such a move would automatically make all abortions illegal. Yes I do.



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    Although slavery has nothing to do with abortion , the US abolished slavery (at least made it illegal) 32 years AFTER Britain did.

    The only similarity between slavery and the abortion issue is that the Anti-Choice faction wants to make women slaves, property to control and punish on their personal whims..
     
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    From your emotional hyperbole and "misinformation" I already know nothing, no facts, nothing will ever sway you and I haven't tried....just pointed out your errors.

    What is this "horrific" outcome of abortion? The outcome is the outcome, what it's supposed to be...

    Women MAY take steps to avoid unwanted pregnancies but they have NO obligation to do so....they do what they want, :)
     

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