Abortionists, why have kids just to sacrifice them?

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  1. danielpalos

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    Why is it more difficult to convince the Right to improve infrastructure, to the extent where it may be obsolete and less convenient to practice the medical procedure of abortion, due to more efficacious methods of prevention; than to insist on mere recourse to the secular and temporal use of force of a State, instead of morals and self-control?
     
  2. Blasphemer

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    This is ridiculous. :mrgreen:

    After failing to substantiate your arguments logically, you bring up an obscure quote from a 2 000 year old myth book written by goat herders, and "creatively" interpret it to suit your agenda, like it constitutes some sort of an argument in a rational discussion? :mrgreen:

    Kids that need transplants dont care about your old quotes, and nor do I.
     
  3. 4Horsemen

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    ahhh, the old "myth book" comment. I knew it was bound to surface.

    fact is, there's NOTHING new under the Sun, NOTHING. so um, there you go.

    AND if you've ever had any family members, as I have, that were dying before your eyes everyday while taking these lab-concoctions, you too would agree that death has to be better than poppin pills that don't work and you'r still dying.
     
  4. prometeus

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    Yep.

    I am not confusing anything and made no reference to abortion clinics. That you feel the need to misrepresent what I said only shows that you have no intelligent argument against what I said.

    So you are OK with aborting those then?
     
  5. 4Horsemen

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    nope

    you haven't said anything. just spouting one-liners and disappearing.

    nope. they still need to live...as a sign from GOD to the rest of us.
     
  6. Blasphemer

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    Why should I decide for them? If they prefer death, they can kill themselves. If they dont, they obviously prefer to live, even with poppin pills. Who am I to force them otherwise?
     
  7. prometeus

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    Did you not just say that it is better to die than suffer?
     
  8. 4Horsemen

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    The Docs are "forcing" them to be guinea pigs for their lab rat drugs but that doesn't seem to bother you.

    You somehow seem to continue to think that the drugs are helping, they are not. do you understand that? These people would have no different reactions if they took a placebo drug. it's all in the mind.

    Your aunt can heal herself if she wants to. without the drugs. Our bodies were designed to heal themselves. ever got a broken leg? scratches from falling? etc? sure you have...because your body heals itself from the inside out.

    the food is our medicine. if your aunt puts in the right foods, she can walk away from those drugs in the matter of a year if she really wants to get well. Why do you think Docs tell people to "change their diets" after their diagnosis?

    People have been duped into thinking all these man-made drugs help us, THEY DON'T. period. We are mentally condition to "believe" they work so when we see a small sign of getting better, we think "It works!"...when actualy your body is fixing itself when you get better, the drugs are not doing a thing but clouding up your system, running interference for your white and red blood cells to do their jobs.

    Disease cannot survive in a well watered and oxygenated body. If you blood is teaming with toxins, guess what? the outwards signs are sickness. but if your blood is filled with water and oxygen, no outward signs of sickness.

    People don't have to live in the lie anymore.

    Good in/Good out, Bad in/Bad out. Laws of Nature.

    Ask your aunt to drink a 24oz glass of Carrot juice today and watch how quickly she perks up.

    Out healthy bodies start with us, not with the Doctors. they are the butchers of society. nothing more.
     
  9. 4Horsemen

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    I quoted the Bible. And although it says it's better to die, it doesn't say it's better to KILL.

    For example, if a person is suffering from heart disease, it's better for that person to just let their hearts die, than to take the lab-rat-monkey snot poison scripts from Doctors. Because the drugs DON'T WORK. No matter how much you think they do.

    That's what I'm saying.
     
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    Only in the event of something major, like a car wreck or getting impaled by a flying piece of debri, or removing a tumor after it's gotten too big to deal with should we use Docs. For normal internal health, WE ourselves and keep that up and running healthy. NO Doctor needed.


    Diabetes, Heart disease, Gout, Colds, Flu, etc....can be fixed by us.
     
  11. prometeus

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    I see. In other words it is the loving God that makes even the innocent suffer and all the remedies that we have by His grace should not be used.
     
  12. prometeus

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    That clarifies a lot about your position.
     
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    I assure that ANYTHING man-made is horse crap compared to what God can do for someone that's sick.

    By not doing anything for a critically sick person, you're doing better for them than by administering drugs that could potentially speed up their deaths.

    example -chemotherapy. Pure radiation. BAD.

    I've known people that looked 100% better BEFORE chemo than after taking it. I truly believe that Chemo speeds up death.
     
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    My position is simple. Doctors have their place. and it's not INSIDE my bloodstream with lab mixtures of poisons. Their place is only in situations of critical need like car wrecks, etc...NOt prescribing internal medicines. Why? because they don't know what they are doing in THAT department.

    Oh sure, if I break my leg, fix me up Doc, fit me for a cast...but if I get sick...NO THANKS DOC, I GOT THIS. because 10 times outta 10 I caused the sickness from what I injested. NO disease comes in externally. they all come in via our bloodsream. from herpes, to AIDS, to Cancer, to the common cold. the bloodstream is where they take root and set up shop, then migrate to organs, etc.... .

    Big difference.
     
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    Lets just say that we disagree on this matter too. I am glad we do not have to make decisions for each other.

    But I am curious, it is clear that your position is based on some deep religious conviction and that includes abortion. Do you feel it should be made illegal or you are just convinced that it is wrong?
     
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    Few reasons.

    #1 I think it's morally wrong ...
    #2 it is against God
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    #3 If it's not gonna be banned, then Mother's who get pregnant on purpose should have to pay for their own abortions and not use tax dollars for it. see how many do it then.

    Because this is all about money. If the clinics don't have a steady stream of females coming in for abortions, they're industry will collapse and go away. AND if females realized the cost of abortions ($300-$1,000 in some states) they'll think twice about it.
     
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    This is what some uneducated laymen actually believe. :D
    Its the same with every science field - you have nutcases who think there is big conspiracy in physics ("free energy" and "antigravity" types), climate science, biology (creationists), economy (both extremists - marxists and largely austrians) and medicine. Despite the fact that biochemistry, hematology, physiology, internal medicine and pathophysiology makes up the majority of medical studies.
    We dont know whats in the blood.. Educate yourself before making unsubstantiated statements. I know Wikipedia is down today, but you can start tomorrow (or disable JavaScript ;) ):
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hematology
     
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    This is what some uneducated laymen actually believe. :D
    Its the same with every science field - you have nutcases who think there is big conspiracy in physics ("free energy" and "antigravity" types), climate science, biology (creationists), economy (both extremists - marxists and largely austrians) and medicine. Despite the fact that biochemistry, hematology, physiology, internal medicine and pathophysiology makes up the majority of medical studies.
    We dont know whats in the blood.. Educate yourself before making unsubstantiated statements. I know Wikipedia is down today, but you can start tomorrow (or disable JavaScript ;) ):
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hematology
     
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    silly me. I thought you were meaning anti abortionists wanting children so they can send them off to die in their republican wars for oil when they turn 18.
     
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    I may be wrong, but isn't the point of having an abortion that you DON'T have a kid?
     
  21. danielpalos

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    In my opinion, the position of the alleged, moral right is disingenuous to the extent it denies and disparages better methods of prevention and individual liberty in favor of the coercive use of force of the State via more arbitrary command economics.

    It may require a Heaven on Earth to engender Angels who have no need for the expense of Government. Why not advocate a moral position for a new and improved Tower of Babel project to help guide us to a more Blissful, if not divine, Commune of Heaven on Earth where persons can be Angels who have no need for the expense of Government?

    Our federal Constitution and its Ten Amendments and Bill of Rights is more more supreme than any commandments of Religion, in the US.

    It is more ethical to engender conditions that may better prevent any need to abort the life of a fellow human being of the sole surviving species in the Home genus.
     
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    This ^ is twisted logic. the key is NOT get pregnant so you don't have an unwanted kid. Waiting to kill it afterwards is backwards.

    a baby is not like a pair a shoes. just can't take it back if you don't want it.
     
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    That's why most abortions are performed by 8 weeks, before it becomes a baby.
     
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    Silly abortionists, don't even know what a baby is.
     
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    at what point is a embryo considered a baby then?


    when it grows a heart? lungs? toes? blood vessels? when?


    your comment is so shallow I can't even fathom you have a response to my questions. but let's try.
     

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