About those uncommitted votes in Michigan last night

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  1. Statistikhengst

    Statistikhengst Well-Known Member

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    Some are making a big deal out of the so-called protest vote out of Michigan last night.

    Well, ok, here are Joe Biden's stats:

    MI D Primary 2024.png

    Biden is the highest raw-vote getter ever in the history of Michigan D primaries, first in 2020 and now with 2nd place in 2024. You will see the proof in the next 9 screenshots. That's a +68% margin over "uncommitted", most of which came out of Dearborn. Biden's topline % is (since FDR), the second highest topline % for a D in the primaries in this state, just under Al Gore from 2000.

    A look into the past:

    MI D Primary 2020.png

    MI D Primary 2016.png

    No protest vote in 2016.

    MI D Caucus 2012 002.png

    That is Michigan 2012 above, when Obama was the incumbent president. Uncommitted vote: 10.7%. Obama won MI +10 on election night 2012.

    MI D Primary 2008.png

    2008 was a weird one. Obama was not even officially on the ballot in 2008, the protest vote was extremely high, obviously Obama supporters. In the Fall, he won MI by +16%, the largest D victory in this state since LBJ in 1964.
    MI D Primary 2004.png



    MI D Caucus 2000.png

    MI D Primary 1996.png

    In '96, incumbent Clinton was not even on the ballot in Michigan, but won the state by +10 in the fall of that year.

    MI D Primary 19992.png

    MI D Primary 1988.png

    When Jesse Jackson won the 1988 primary in MI, there was a 12.9% protest vote for "uncommitted".

    So, yeah, in certain cycles, Michigan has a history of this kind of thing, just like Mississippi in the south. And interestingly enough, for the history buffs out there, both MI and MS were admitted to the Union at almost the same time in the early 1800s, both with 3 EV at that time, in order to keep the scales between the North and the South balanced.

    So, forget the media. Here are FACTS about Michigan.
     
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    That's a long post. You could have made it a lot shorter by just posting this:

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/michigan/trump-vs-biden
     
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    The only important point is that Biden is the only Democrat who could lose to Trump. The rest is not worth analyzing.
     
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    Or you could see the other way . in actual contest, last time Trump lost to Biden.
     
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    Statistikhengst Well-Known Member

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    He sure did. By 7.1 million votes and 74 electors.
     
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    I'd love if they replaced Joe, but for the life of me I can't think of any other Democrat who isn't just as bad.
     
  7. Endeavor

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    This is exactly why we DEMS don’t give a sh$$ what GOP/ conservative say about Joe Biden.

    Replacing Joe Biden will not bring Trump supporter to vote for DNC nominee. Joe is senile, if Gavin Newsom is the DNC nominee, same people will say Gavin is not experienced enough, if the nominee is Gretchen Whitmer, the same people will say , she is big government liberals. And off course no matter who is the DNC nominee, GOP will brand them as socialist , support open border, and anti American globalist who wants to sell out America.
     
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    About those uncommitted votes in Michigan last night

    Meaningless politically but it does point out that Michigan has at least 100,000 Hamas supporters.
     
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    So there is no hope for democrats? Is that your position?
     
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    You're right. You don't have to worry about any Trump supporter going to the Democrat side.

    What you DO have to worry about though is those that voted for Biden in 2020 voting for Trump or a third party (or simply just staying home) in 2024 due to all the failures of Biden that people like you refuse to admit to or excuse.
     
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    If you hope Democrats move toward conservatism, you are right, there is no hope of that.
     
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    Actually the reality is completely different then what is your opinion. since Bien became POTUS , American voters keep voting for Democrats. Only people sticking with Trump are the MAGA.


    Democrats won election 4 consecutive years – 2021,2022,2023 and 2024 since Biden victory in 2020.


    Democrats won special election in 2021 and won 2 Senate positions in GA.
    Democrats won anti-abortion law in KS AUG 2022.
    Democrats won Senate and two GOV in mid-term 2022 election.
    Democrats won special election in 2023 – In Wisconsin , Liberal judge won statewide election .
    Democrats won special election ( Issue 1) in Ohio in 2023
    Democrats won Governor race in Kentucky NOV 2023
    Democrats won banning abortion in Ohio in NOV 2023
    Democrats won entire Virginia legislative branch in NOV 2023.
    Democrats won special election in Feb 2024 in NY.
     
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    No I was referring to your lack of hope. I'm not a partisan so I don't care how people vote. I only care what government does.
     
  14. Endeavor

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    I like what the current government is doing. If you don’t like what Biden administration doing, please voter for the other guy who is running against Biden. This is how democracy works.
     
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    Joe Biden's a totally known political commodity. People know he's worked for the public for decades and that his heart is in the right place and that his moral compass works. They know he's God fearing and is trying to work across the aisle an chance he gets and that he's not making every day about himself while lining his pocket while ripping off the little man. People don't vote for Biden because he's a spectacle or a TV star, they vote for him because at the end of the day, he's upholding his oath of office.
     
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    This is where you and I agree.

    The frustrating part for me watching media going to Dearborn , Mi and talking to these Arabs about their frustration with Biden. But not a single journalist asking them “ why are you supporting Hamas the terrorist”.
     
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    I would if democracy actually worked. But I learned long ago that voting fixes nothing I want fixed so I don't waste the time..
     
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    And here you are complaining and wasting your time talking about politics/ democracy.
     
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    Why is that a problem? It is entertaining. Hopefully you come here for entertainment. I doubt you think you are here to change minds.
     
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