ACA forces poor to pay for health insurance

Yeah, but it's Obama's fault because he made those Republican governors refuse the Medicaid expansion.

 

If you are poor and don't work, you are right, you will be fine. But if you are poor and trying to work for low wages, and/or you attend college, you are forced to make this purchase.

 

Even with employment, the whole thing is expensive and ridiculous. More importantly than that, though, it's a tyrannical law in its nature, as is SS and income tax.

 

Endure a little trouble? I'm forced to pay into a system that is rampant with fraud waste and abuse. How about fix that, and then force people to pay into it. But I don't see why I should pay for all this fancy architecture, flat screen tvs serving as $3,000 signs, amazing landscaping, and millions and millions of pills being annually given to my fellow citizens. What a joke.

 

What state are you in?

 

Sarcasm to point out that we certainly do live amongst tyrants. There was no cowardness as you just missed it.

 

I'd rather not give that information out.

 

If your school is such a "joke" I wonder why you want to go there. All bureaucracies have fraud, waste and abuse --whether they're public or private. Maybe you can find an ugly school with simple architecture and unamazing landscaping.

 

I'm talking about hospitals. My local hospital is amazing looking, and sits on a hill overlooking the entire city in what must be some prime real estate. I'm talking massive sky windows, waterfalls, fountains, etc. I'm talking about being forced to pay for Americans' millions of pills that they don't need. The fraud waste and abuse is everywhere. And it's the reason that individuals can't even enter the health insurance market. It's because we can't compete with employers who are lumping in a bunch of people together in their plans.

 

I know it is, and that's why I'm saying endure the trouble that MisterMet thinks would result from not playing along with this latest scheme. Further, don't pay into the older government schemes. We need to stop being worried about the tyrant coming after us personally and start making a united stand against him instead (I speak figuratively here - I don't necessarily mean President O-Ring specifically). As far as I'm concerned, we are going against the principles of a free country any and every time we allow, and even call for, the government to coerce the governed into giving up their personal assets and doing certain things against their will. We have drifted far into the sort of government we originally escaped here in the Revolution. We're right back to tyrannical rule, to government running our lives and our economy. We need to reject this and the people who demand it of us, and return to our libertarian - our classic liberal - principles.

If the statists want their Neo European system, I'm sure they will have it somewhere. Perhaps the USA is bound to end up split in two or more countries. Even so, we can all have peace and prosperity according to our own shared desires. I want a FREE country, where government is as small as can possibly be, where people build their own society and take care of their own, where government doesn't tax and regulate the life out of everybody and everything. ...Where government doesn't imprison millions of people, often for disobeying stupid laws that never should have existed in the first place.

 

mostly because the FEDS refuse to commit to paying for it after so many years

 

Does your state have a Republican governor?

 

Okay question do your parents have health insurance? If you are younger than 26 and you are full time you can be on their plan. So you make 15,600 a year before taxes (which you get back from earned income credit) You may be eligible for up to 138% subsidy. So go do some research about ACA, or even better by the numbers you have provided or learn to budget better.

 

you're older than 26 and still in college?

you can stay on your parents insurance until you turn 26.

 

It doesn't help to change my perspective on listening to Obama talk. He says, we've got to stop acting as if the govt is the enemy. Dude, he's a const law prof. Has he not read any of the framer's arguments? That's all they talked about, was the govt gaining too much power, and hence becoming the enemy. I mean that language is seen in every speech, debate, and law the framer's made. The mindset of the govt having too much power and becoming the enemy, is everything they talked about. We are supposed to ignore the lessons our framers learned just because Obama said?

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Yeah, spend my life figuring out govt programs like every other citizen is doing. And it's not just govt programs, schools, etc. Everyone is devising these "systems" that one has to spend their life interpreting to figure out. Instead of actually living.

 

And if the parents decided it's cheaper to pay the fine than to get the insurance? Then when they need insurance they can just sign up... right? Then once everything is fixed again... drop back off the insurance.

 

I went to WVU for a year.

They had free healthcare for all students.

 

Really? So if you had been diagnosed with a brain tumor you were completely covered?

I can't wait for all the people to start coming out about how they were denied this procedure or that procedure or this drug or that drug or this treatment or that treatment. And they're all going to want to know what happened, they thought Obama and the democrats plan was going to be taking care of this healthcare problem for them.

If you're 89 years old and you get diagnosed with cancer... do you think the government is going to accept paying $250,000 for your procedures when you'll only live and pay into the system another 5 years or so? Not a chance in hell.

 

When? All you have to is search for the medical pages of major colleges. If you can't read between the lines, call the phone numbers and ask who answers point blank: Do I need to purchase health insurance to attend college here? The one number I called, said yes.

 

Oh, stop that griping about Obamacare. Every working, taxpaying American should be happy to pay a lot more, or forfeit their health care so that their fellow Americans who choose not to work, have free, top-notch health care. Don't you want poor people to be healthy too? It's the "American way," amigos.

Ciao!

 

God Bless America Comrade

oh wait... Bless America Comrade?

 

I was scrolling down the entries at the "New Activity" tab when I saw your quip.

I had to stop and let you know I lol'ed.

 

Find another school.

 

Good suggestion, but keep in mind, my finding another school would not be because of my feelings for the school, or any market-type decision. The decision will be based on govt action.

 

No.. they didn't.

Taxpayers, contributors and each and every student paid for that healthcare.

There is no such thing as a free lunch.

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