Acceptable number of Gazans for Israel to have killed in year after Oct.7th?

If they were bothered by it would that impact your opinion in any way?

 

There's no disputing the racist element inside Israel especially when it comes to their belief in Jewish supremacy. I think US meddling in the Middle East and Ukraine is primarily done to advance US arms sales, so cutting all arms sales to Ukraine and Israel might end the war crimes in both states.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024...decry-double-standard-as-kyiv-supports-israel

 

Dude 1.5 to one is a better ratio than in any war in history.

 

ahhh... the 'ole 'hide behind civilians' and then cry foul by the muslim cowards.

Played out. Nobody with a brain is buying it anymore.

No, sorry. They don't get to sucker punch Israel, hide behind civilians, and then claim victim. Every action that of a coward.

It will be enough when the Palestinians find somewhere else to settle as the land of Israel and a two-state solution is clearly not in their playbook

 

Nope. That dog don't hunt after 10/7. No longer matters what others think. Not in Israel's interest as this point to assuage the concerns of others if it means allowing any possibility of a repeat of 10/7.

 

Why would making Palestinians leave so they can get enough aid and medicine in safety until the wars end inflame the Arab world? Do the Arabs want them to die that badly?

 

Actually they probably do. I've read a number of accounts about how most Arabs find Palestinians to be supremely "annoying"

 

Agreed, I don’t think anyone actually cares much about the Palestinians or else seeking to get them out of harm’s way in the face of what they themselves describe as “genocide” would be obvious. Instead, they want them to stay there to be killed?

I have a whole thread on the subject based on this and so far none of the usual “Pro-Palestinians” are speaking up. Hence why I made the thread to begin with: they can’t answer it.

And the reason is because not only do they not really care about the Palestinians but they care a lot about being anti-Israel—every Palestinian death gives them a soapbox to attack Israel with and if the Palestinians leave for safety in Egypts Sinai, they won’t be dying—not good for Hamas, not good for anti-Israelites. So of course they want palestinians to stay and die.

 

Well, we know Palestinians won't win and they can't write books. So really no history book will ever say this was a genocide.That will end when the press goes to hyping something else.

 

It's very existence is based on virtue signaling, moreso than any other country. It would and could not exist without virtue signaling. It relies on convincing the world it has the moral high ground, something I think Netanyahu has lost sight of.

 

I think the important question here is how many Gazan civilians were Hamas, Iran, et al, willing to see die before they started this war?

I suspect they're willing to "martyr" every last man, woman and child in Gaza to achieve their genocidal aims.

 

Netanyahu should be more mindful that his nation's existence is dependant on maintaining the image of holding the moral high ground in the eyes of the west. He should realize that the propaganda war is vital here, and stop his ministers from making some of the statements they have been making.

If public opinion in the west, especially in the US, turns away from (not even necessarily against) Israel, Israel will be in much much more danger, and it may even lead to Israel's end.

 

Israel only exists because of the strength of it military.
IMO, virtue signaling has been losing credibility fast at least since Hitler ordered his government to call WW2 "The War Of German Liberation".

 

This is discombobulated logic .. What do Palestinians contributions to the US during Vietnam war have to do with the UN authority ? - has absolutely no bearing on whether or not the UN is the controlling legal authority and has the last word on War Crimes - Crimea against humanity and other dirty deeds up to and perhaps including Genocide .. on which the UN will decide .. being the designated controlling and legal authority .. and in particular over the Occupied Territories.

So .. you are 100% incorrect -- the UN is the designated controlling and legal authority .. Full Stop --

 

And the strength of it's military only exists because of its virtue signalling to the west and getting vital military aid and arms. If Israel loses the propaganda war, it loses most of its power.

 

Israel should not target civilians, but the presence of civilians should not interfere with the military objective of destroying Hamas.
Refugees should have been allowed to enter Egypt on the day of the Hamas raid.

 

Yes. And they also should have been allowed to enter Israel. And Netanyahu should have made crystal clear assurances that he does not intend ethnic cleansing, will allow them back after the war, and prevent Israeli settlers from moving in.

That may have saved many lives.

 

Israel has been able to defend itself for decades now. It certainly has the resources necessary to eliminate Hamas, and IMO should that quickly.

 

I agree that it has the power and resources (even absent western arms) to eliminate Hamas, but what then? It needs to be careful of the propaganda war, because if it eliminates Hamas while also losing western sympathy, it's future is much more uncertain. Hamas won't be the last threat against it.

 

Those who have expressed concern for Gazans should have accepted refugees. Israel has no duty to shelter it enemies.

 

Come on now GP ---- God's Chosen People --- from Religious Right Perspective - xenophobic demonization of the other defines the term itself ... setting up a black vs white, good vs Evil, God vs Devil paradigm --- and all the good the stuff that which hunts and pogroms are made of flows from there .. Expulsion of the Jews from Europe in the middle ages based on religious fervor .. "Christ Killers" from a different angle but same operative principle .. xenophobic demonization of the other .. --- Genocidal intent but much better put "Ethnic Cleansing" a function of this principle .. a slightly lower bar but one still high enough for .. as the Irish delegates to the UN say "The Hague too Good for Bibi"

Bibi has gone far past anything Milosovic ever did ---

now that covers the religious right racism .. which has an exact parallel with the ultra orthodox portion of Likud -- Exodus 32:43 (need to get translation of Old text .. as has been edited out of modern bibles) this from the LXX ---
"O heavens, rejoice with Him
Bow to Him, all sons of the divine
O nations, rejoice with His people
and let all angels of the divine strengthen themselves in Him.
For He’ll avenge the blood of His sons,
be vengeful, and wreak vengeance and recompense justice on his foes
And the Lord will Cleanse His people’s land"

Go look this passage up in a modern Bible for a Giggle (what happened to all the other divinities that the polytheistic Israelites in ? ) a slight digression.

and that was the plan .. of the Israelites .. to cleanse the land .. commanded by God this plan .. which they carried out on the Amalek --- ordered to kill every man, woman, child, baby and fetus .. along with the family pet .. and any animals they kept out back .. there is a special word for it .. meaning under Gods Curse --- and those under the curse are to suffer the cleansing. ... the Final Solution .. is a bit ironic at this point.

That covers the religious justification -- "The Final Solution" - is the secular solution, as the other part of Likud are the Zionist faction Zionism was founded by Atheists .. no worries about religious extremism from these lads... here we have secular justification for "Ethnic Cleansing" --- and Adolf was all happy with the Zionist plan -- fully supportive of the plan to move Jews from Germany to Palestine .. what is to like from a german perspective .. and Adolf didn't care about any people who would be displaced in Palestine .. That was the problem for the Zionists to worry about .. the "Solution" of which was to Cleanse the Land of the "the other" -- as they were sub -human from a genetic perspective rather than a religious perspective. Ethnic Cleansing part of the Zionist Charter.

and we have Genocide Joe (earned his stripes in Syria and Yemen last decade) .. coming out a self declared Zionist .. in yet another classic "Foot in mouth" moment Joe has been so famous for over the years.

 

That number is not accurate. I'm not saying the palestinians know the real number either, though. But when you drop two hundred 2000 bombs on areas you told civilians would be safe, there's some bodies there, likely many unaccounted for.

 

It's actually going the opposite direction. Only really dedicated apologists to Israel are still buying their BS about minimizing civilian deaths.

 

Its not the number, is the 'how'. Some fatalities are more preventable than others. Avoiding some, requires a large risk of sacrifice by Israelis for each death avoided, while avoiding others requires a more limited exposure of risk. For me, its about the famine and restrictions on aide, and the attacks on the very roads and bridges that Israel forces refugees to use. I can't believe that Israel as the balls to provide a 3 to 6 day notice for evacuation, when so few even have a car and petrol, and then bombs the roads and bridges they walk or drive on! They tell them where to evacuate to, and then bomb hundreds of defenseless people in refugee camps once they collect there.

 

How ever many it takes to achieve their objective! Destroy Hamas and rescue the hostages.