Admiral Mullen: Biden needs to 'back off' and 'resolve this thing'

It's nice to know there is at least one sane individual in the US foreign policy establishment. The casual disregard for the risks of nuclear war displayed by many in the commentariat and in the political class is astoundingly stupid. We barely managed to make it out of the Cuban missile crisis without blowing up the entire planet, and the only reason it was resolved was because JFK chose to "appease" the Soviets with a compromise. In other words, appeasement saved the planet. Because appeasement, despite its awful reputation, is sometimes entirely reasonable, so long as the appeasement maintains a fair balance on both sides. But for his attempts at appeasement, Neville Chamberlain is one of the most unfairly maligned figures in history. Yet everyone always draws the wrong lesson from his attempt to appease Hitler. The lesson is not that appeasement never works. If appeasement never worked, Chamberlain wouldn't have tried it in the first place. The lesson is that appeasement fails when the other side is driven by madness. But if Putin really is driven by madness, then everyone should be way more worried that he'll launch nukes. And it's not like you can depend on the people around Putin, since many of them are even more hawkish than Putin is.

Anyway, Russia received guarantees from the west that NATO would not expand into the former Soviet bloc. The only thing that is required to "appease" Russia is adhering to our word. Sign a treaty ensuring Ukraine's neutral status and then walk away. If Russia is a problem, then it's the EU's problem. Lest we forget, the EU economy is 11 times larger than Russia's is. The EU have nuclear weaponry and other highly advanced weapon systems. They do not need US backing or protection. They are far stronger than Russia is. Why some Americans insist on carrying Europe's burden, when Europe is more than capable of carrying it itself, is mystifying to say the least.

 

Uh-ohhhhhhh! Mullen is going to lose his patriotic hero status, now.

 

I was giving the appeasement example months ago. Most people aren't capable of independent thought.

 

Horseshit.... Joe didn't cause this, Joe isn't making this worse, and it's highly unlikely Joe can resolve this...

Unlike Afghanistan, he's played this nearly perfectly from Day 1...

 

"The buck stops ... somewhere else." Get real man, he's the President. It's his mess, and he'll be held accountable by the voters for it.

The man can't even clearly communicate his own administration's position. He keeps saying idiotic things and then his less-dementia-addled staffers have to come out and walk back crazy joe's unsettling commentary.

 

Did he cause it - no, but I see no attempts to try to resolve, other than throwing more money at it, and just delaying the inevitable

 

More HS.... You wouldn't vote for him regardless of how the Putin War turns out and most that voted for him won't even consider voting for the alternative regardless...

Status Quo.... Slightly different latin phrase from the previous administration's go to move......

 

LOL.. and how is he going to resolve it?

Bail on Ukraine now? As long as Ukraine is holding out, we need to support them

And there's no longer any chance Ukraine will deal with a mass murderer, and I think it would be ridiculous to expect them to.

 

Sorry admiral, but appeasing bullies is not a solution. This IS the first time since the Cuban missile crisis we are facing this kind of bully. Fortunately this bully has already been bitch-slapped, and is reduced shrieking nonsense from his bunker.

Enjoy your retirement.

 

Yes - destroying the world economy is well worth the support that will ultimately have been a giant waste just like Vietnam

Has Biden tried to meet with Putin over the past 8 months? What has he done to try to end the conflict?

Putin is evil, but Ukraine is not innocent either

 

This is 100% on Putin. Anyone can chime in, but no way do we allow a country like Putin's Russia to just attack. Let's not forget all the war crimes being committed by Russian forces.

 

Fair point. I wouldn't be voting for Biden even if he had done the common sense thing at the run up to the war and offered to help negotiate an end to the crisis. That's what the US has normally done. It's bizarre that the Biden administration decided they would rather have the war than negotiate.

 

When did US negotiate? When USSR invaded Afghanistan? No, we did the same thing. When Castro took Cuba? When Pol Pot took Cambodia? Vietnam? Korea? Japan? Germany? Saddam? Al Qaeda?

Bending over for bullies might seem common sense to some people, but not to everyone.

 

Your list doesn't make sense. "When Pol Pot took Cambodia?" If that makes sense to you in regards to my statement, I'm not sure you understood what I wrote.

 

Who is this we you speak of? You don't speak for me and neither does Biden. If you want to spend your treasure and spill your blood, be my guest. I could not care less what happens in the Ukraine and neither does anybody I know in real life. Ukraine has a monster as a President and so does Russia. Not my problem and not America's problem. Too bad that our corrupt elite need the Ukraine to launder their filthy money. Since they have a vested and perverse interest in propping up the corrupt Ukraine regime, they keep robbing the treasury to send weapons over there. Biden is yet another warmongering chicken hawk.

 

Yeah those war crimes are Ukraine's fault. I certainly remember how all the Trump supporters highlighted their unpatriotic persona when they sided with Putin when the war started and how smart he was.

The Russian Army is edging towards collapse.

 

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And then they will turn on Putin. That will also happen if Putin decides to use nukes. That scenario goes back to the Cold War and pretty much reassured our military throughout the 1960s, 70s, and 80s

The Russian high command is not suicidal. What Putin is, is rapidly becoming irrelevant.

 

I agree his inner circle, does not want to see Russia collapse, let alone continue the war, some exceptions aside. There are reports that a coup d'état is coming, but that validity can be in question, yet I can't imagine the number of people he has wronged are just sitting idly by.

 

Your words: " if he had done the common sense thing at the run up to the war and offered to help negotiate an end to the crisis. That's what the US has normally done."

You said US should have negotiated peace between Ukraine and Russia as if its our duty to be some kind of peace broker, and you said its something US would normally do, but I pointed out its not something we are known for doing. What do we normally do? Either we do nothing, or we bring peace through firepower.

Sure, there has been attempts, like Clinton trying to broker peace between Israel and Palestinians, but that was a wasted effort.

 

The Ukrainians don’t seem inclined to surrender. They are waiting him out. They feel It is just a matter if time until Putin gets hit by falling space debris.

 

Folks do not want to vote for Biden because of the BS(Biden Sucks).

 

I'm not sure in your example how the US would have negotiated with Pol Pot. But we clearly could have negotiated with Russia. In fact, before the war began I made a negotiating offer back in February:

This wasn't exactly popular when I posted it originally and it looks like the consensus is that this forum, copying the US establishment consensus, would preferred the "major European war" I was worried about. And as for the nuclear aspect? That too seems more popular than peace and negotiations.

 

And if Putin gets hit with falling space debris, you think the new Russian leader will immediately sue for peace?

 

Only Trump can end the cease fire.

 

Which is why Biden just put this out there this week.


If this warmongering @#$@#$ masquerading as a President thinks he is going to draft any member of my family to fight for his filthy money, he is daft. Both of my nephews are leaving as is my nieces husband. They are done with the woke military. The Covid vaccines were the last straw.

On brighter news, the Selective Service has made it mandatory that cross dressing men sign up for selective service (overturning Trump's ban on them). The trans community has lost its mind in rage. Blathering about how it denies their womanhood. Too bad, the neolibs are ginning up another war and conservatives are checking out.... time for liberals and people with mental illness to do the fighting and dying in meaningless wars that serve no American interest.

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2022/10/11/selective-service-system-trans-women-us-military/