Admiral Mullen: Biden needs to 'back off' and 'resolve this thing'

Lets back up a little bit.
If Putin uses tactical nikes on the battlefield, simply put, his troops aren't equipped to operate in a nuclear zone. That would be a very self defeating move.

If Putin uses them on a city, he will lose a lot of support from his allies, especially from a China who is more In favor of eating away the foundations of America rather than taking a chance of becoming target of wrath for supporting Putin.

 

No I suggested stopping the war before it began by keeping Ukraine out of NATO, not giving him territory. Now of course he's taken territory. Hope you like that outcome.

 

My guess is that when the neocons fled the Republican Party because Trump, the neocons who went to the Democrats immediately began changing the foreign policy of the Democrats, not on it's merits, because it was the opposite of the non interventionist Trump policy. That was probably a pretty easy sell. Now the Democrats are a party of Lindsey Grahams.

 

Sure. Chamberlain tried the same appeasement approach, but it never works. Russia was going to attack no matter what. Its foolish to believe Putin's excuses.

So, when Dems and GOP finally agree on something, its labeled "propaganda". LOL. People do have their own opinions about things, and there are plenty of Dems who are against was of any kind. Dems or GOP don't set the US foreign policy, which is why it doesn't change regardless of who is in power.

Tulsi says........LOL I thought you wanted to use your own noggins. She has an anti-war stance, and she is welcome to it. She is not alone. She has company from both parties

 

So you're a Putin mind reader now? No, we had an opportunity to avert this, and we blew it, and you seem pretty damn happy that we did. Since you seem to like this outcome, I understand you not wanting to consider anything that might have stopped it.

 

Sounds like you are, or think you are. The guy is a lying thug, and recent events show he is only getting worse. He would have played you like a fiddle.

No. It was never our call to begin with, since the whole Western world united against those murderers. There very few people like you who would have bent over for Putin. You'd promise him Fort Knox, and he'd take it, laugh, and then do whatever he was up to anyway.

 

"bent over for Putin"

The real issue, is that for you, and for the Western world, this is an emotional "current thing" issue like #Bringbackourgirls. I have no emotional connection to Ukraine and my consideration of it is US National Interest, not how you feel about Putin, bending someone over. Based on your comment, you simply don't think about it in a rational way, this is purely emotional, so I doubt we can make much headway, because I'm talking about national interest, and you're talking feels.

 

Never heard of it, but the threat to out Western allies it real, and they are not naive enough to think they can make it go away by appeasing a tyrant.

Me too. I have never even been to Ukraine, so it has nothing to do with emotion.

Right. Its not about that. Its about doing the right thing,

Sure, I got the same feeling about you based on your posts.

No Neville, history proves your appeasement approach is a losing strategy. First you appease, and then get taken advantage of.

 

I get it. You wanted the war, and you got it. I didn't want one, and lost. I realize my opinion is a minority one, but the world is going to suffer quite a bit due to this. Enjoy the mess you support.

 

Sur Neville. Make it about me when everything else fails.

Have a nice day.

 

You have one page of history and you're going to milk it for all it's worth!

 

Not in writing.

 

Was it Biden or Putin who threatened tu use of nuclear weapons first?

 

It escelated the moment Putin threatened to use nuclear weapons.

 

If Putin wants to use nuclear weapons, he has artillery as his primary method and he can use a truck with a few brave soles as his secondary method. The moment he launches tactical or strategic nuclear weapons, every response is automatic,

 

There is no such thing as "automatic responses" when it comes to nuclear weapons.

Where did you get a stupid idea like that?

 

Appeasement never works and cowardice enables bullies.
Maybe they will now cheer Macron and his surrender monkey routine.
These people have learned nothing from history, but then, listening to trump’s alternative facts rots the brain.

 

Not sure what you mean by Macron. Who did he surrender to?

 

It is human nature to take a 'bigger stick' to the battlefield if one's enemy is defeating him in a conflict. I won't insult your intelligence with the obvious conclusion... people being what people are, the situation inevitably goes from fists to nuclear weapons, and the world has lived with that 'slippery-slope' ever since 1945.

Was Ukraine itself ever of any particular strategic importance to the United States? Not to my knowledge, but I'm sure 'historians' here in the Forum would be quick to remind us that Czechoslovakia was of no real importance to Britain or France, and so it was abandoned to Hitler when he took just a German-populated 'slice' of it in March 1939. The logic, then, is that Putin, (like Hitler), took a 'slice' of Ukraine in 2014 (Crimea), and now he wants to gobble up the rest of it -- and so we must send billions upon billions of dollars in advanced weaponry to Ukraine to keep Russia out. Oh, and if we don't, why, it's just a matter of time before Putin is posing for photos in front of the Eifel Tower (like Hitler did in 1940).

True or not, this all makes for interesting 'coffee-table banter' -- except that THIS time the 'fast-forwarded' result could easily be the annihilation of the civilized world! In the aftermath of this maxed-out war, Russia would cease even to exist, and the NATO countries would be devastated and crippled (although not to the extent that Russia would be). The loss of life would be incalculable and the damage to the planet itself could be irreversible. You get the point....

And THAT'S why this time everyone has to handle this situation differently -- and the most powerful personage in the world today is the President of the United States! We don't have the luxury of just sending billions and billions more in weaponry to 'throw gasoline on a grass fire'. We've got to take decisive action to force everyone (EVERYONE) involved 'to the table' and settle this damn thing before it kills the world as we know it.





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Not only that, but the Grifters Biden, however many there actually are, are deriving financial benefit from what's happening in Ukraine.

 

Did I question that? Or claim something you disagreed with?

 

So...If Putin actually uses tactical nukes in Ukraine, you want the US to do what? Attack Russia with our nuclear arsenal?

 

Uhm yes there is. It is within the Mutually Assured Destruction protocols.

 

Yes, by nuking the Russian naval bases that have their SSBNs located. But that this point it is purely theoretical because Putin is really not that stupid, is he?

 

You said it escelated. The question I am asking you, is who was first in escelation because you seem to care about what Biden does and totally ignore what Putin has done, Comrade Puskin.