"Affordable Care Act" Meets Reality at a Small Pennsylvania Company

what did the employer have to gain.. .is a better question, why would he call the media to come in and view this staged event? it seems the employer did not even try to find his employees the best deal, in fact maybe he intentionally took the worst deal so he could use it to bash Obama, time will tell

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Educating the public?

 

if both republicans and democrats agree that the individual mandate is bad, let's end it and replace it with a public option, I am 100% behind you on that one

the only reason for a individual mandate was so insurers would offer lower prices, if they wont do that, then there is no reason for the mandate

same with car insurance, if the mandate to buy car insurance has not resulted in lower rates, then lets end the mandate....

if it appears insurers are taking advantage of the mandate to raise rates.. end the mandate

Obama wanted a Public Option in the first place... seems he was right all along

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The consumer should be the one deciding what they want .NOT THE GOVERNMENT

 

http://nrtwc.org/obama-rewards-government-union-bosses-again/
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/09/m-labor_dept_power_grab_rewards_obamas_union_allies.html
http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2...ons-with-obamacare-tax-exemption-2567720.html
Here is three examples of him rewarding the unions for giving him money.
If Obama care is so damn great and we all have to pay a little more to better America. Why did he give the unions a free pass? Millions? Other than they thicken his wallet.
He has been bought. All he cares about is $$$$$$$

 

Public option my ass, so the government can take your property after you die, just like medicaid, no thanks and don't think that won't be part of the law.

 

Psssst . . . now be nice. Don't you know that "It's for your own good" Leftwingers positively hate it whenever you -- the end of the line theoretical beneficiary of their Government Mandated ideological largess at the expense of people who actually pay taxes -- read the fine print? It gets right up their nose.

 

Yeah . . . because every -- existing on the margins -- small business owner I know would risk an Obama generated IRS audit to stage an easily investigated event, risking his and his employee's livelihood in the process . . . just for the GOP leadership's approval. Gasp! Why that explains everything!

 

this employer invited the media into this, why... obviously a political agenda there.. would not be the first republican that put "party first" before country or even employees


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lol, I pay many many thousands in taxes, I have no problem if some of my taxes goes towards the healthcare of Americans in this country

republicans like to spend their taxes on war and nation building in countries like Iraq, I prefer we spend mine on nation building here at home and improving the lives of my fellow Americans

if we can afford two 10+ year wars, we can afford a public option

"Bush White House paid for universal health care in Iraq."

http://futiledemocracy.wordpress.co...house-paid-for-universal-health-care-in-iraq/

ironic ain't it?

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But, you failed to answer my question. What is your proof Obama used that money to buy champagne? Do you have copies of his receipts where he purchased champagne with these contribution funds? If all he cares about is money, then show us proof these funds were used for him personally. You've shown absolutely nothing. Your post is a total joke.

 

But you have no proof he used these funds for champagne.

 

And all this coming on the heals of never once looking into comparing the cost of Obamacare. I suspect if some poor folks from Kentucky can afford a plan through Obamacare so can these people. But you see that is the scam. To jack people's premiums in order to wage war against Obamacare. That's all this is about. We new that was coming.

 

sadly that is what it looks like. they have us the ages, location and number of dependants though, which makes it easy enough to check the rates and plans available. that's where the story falls apart. they did not give us full details on the new and old plan, but even picking one of the best plans available with a 0 detectable shows a much cheaper price than what they quoted. individual plans that sounded equal to or better than their old plan were also cheaper than the 2013 rates for the prior that provided them. I provided all of this info and pride breakdowns on page 4, but as I expected, nobody cared to read our respond to it. obviously bashing ObamaCare is more important than the truth.

 

This objection is ridiculous. If you don't want the government to take "your" property (more likely the a"property" in question is someone's PARENTS' property that the inheritor wants to get their hands on!), just refuse care! No problemo!

But note the NAME "public OPTION"!

If you don't like what the public OPTION provides, NO ONE is saying you can't go buy insurance privately.

 

Allowing the consumer to NOT buy insurance, or gamble on what part of health care they don't wish to pay for, gambling they won't get sick or inured in the particular way they rejected, is HOW we have gotten trillions of unpaid medical bills for the taxpayer and other medical consumers to pay for, and up to a MILLION medical bankruptcies per year.

Not only does the current "gamble on not needing healthcare" system we have in place perform poorly, it FAILS in the most expensive way possible by usually making medical care only available when the person has passed beyond needing simple inexpensive care and needs magnificently expensive crisis care! THEN the government and taxpayers shell out MILLIONS per person.

 

Look it up. You telling me the unions didn't give to Obama's campaign? lol really? I ask you if Obama care tax is so good why were the unions pushing so hard to get out of it? Don't the progressive unions care about the poor and the sick?

 

Certainly local stations are quite happy to do whatever kinds of pieces their advertisers desire!

A conservative coalition of automobile companies (who are about 80% Republican) offering a prepared hit piece to the local station that they advertise on would be received with happiness by hte station..

And the ENTIRELY bogus and lying options presented by this employer to his hapless workers, as shown by the JeffLV simply looking up publicly available plans, makes it clear it IS a "hit piece", filled with the usual lies and propaganda.

BTW, its apparent the employer is not even providing a NICKLE to his employee's health insurance. Given the outrageous prices and deductibles, the employer is probably getting a kickback in cash from the scumbag insurance agent! Just like McDonald's and other employers charging their workers $60 per MONTH for $5000 or LESS maximum payout "insurance plans" .


But the nicest part of Obamacare is these employees can tell the employer to stick his greasy and lying health plan up his butt, and go buy their OWN insurance from an exchange!

 

A very interesting piece.

I don't think it's a hit piece, although it's obviously being used by conservatives as one.

I have several questions.

First of all, even though the television reporter doesn't say so, it's obvious that the company in question is not really offering health insurance, as the employees are paying 100% of the premiums out of pocket.

If that's the case, and it clearly appears to be, virtually every one of these people would be far better off shopping the Exchange for individual insurance.

Actually, they would do well to shop the individual market anyway, and their employer is not giving them any special break.

The story said nothing about the real comparisons between the old and new plans other than the deductibles, and the cost of the premiums.

We see nothing here that compares what those premiums buy versus their cost.

The story does not note, for instance, what the maximum payout on the old policy was, or that there is no longer a cap on maximum benefits paid.

I'm not surprised that the broker blamed the changes on "Obamacare"/

The very first thing that the insurance industry did when the act was passed was drastically cut the commission paid to broker for writing this insurace, which used to be a big moneymaker for brokers.

And, it's easy for the industry to blame a law they fought, after they spent hundreds of millions trying to keep the old cost plus system in place.

There is no provision in the ACA that requires insurance companies to only offer high deductible policies anywhere but in the exchanges, but that is what they've chosen to do.

But the reporter never mentioned that.

The GOP obviously thinks it can mine a rich vein of sticker shock over high deductibles, as that appears to be the new right wing line.

But high decuctible are something that Republican politicans are FOR. (until their base got hit with them, anyway).

 

Is it because of Obamacare, or because the employer decided to fob off health care costs to his employees, and blame it on Obamacare?

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=341223&page=12&p=1063560565#post1063560565

 

Its funny how Obamacare detractors can only offer up anecdotal evidence.

Here's a graphic from the recent Price Waterhouse study on comparisons of employer healthcare premiums vs individual exchange premiums.

Oh my!





If you want a NON PARTISAN source for analysis of the healthcare industry this is a good place.
http://www.pwc.com/us/en/health-industries/health-research-institute/

 

Ok. From the guy slinging "did you even watch the video". Might as well have put a dumb a** after that. But ok, I could have taken a higher road.

 

I asked because your reply made zero sense for anyone who had watched it. Simple.

 

Please post the chart showing the deductibles, yearly out of pockets and co pays of the employer healthcare plans vs individual exchange plans.

 

So why does the union want out so bad if it's such a great deal? Why doesn't the progressive unions care about the sick and poor. Are they racist?