Again !! - Gaza rocket hits Eshkol Council in Israel

Please read my post again - in it's entirely as your cartoon rendition of it is based on something other than that utterance..

 

The Kingdoms of Israel and Judea were established nations. There was never a nation of Palestine but rather an area of land.

Yes as they were offered the opportunity to form their own country there - same as the Palestinians.

Because they tried to kill all of the Jews in order not to share the land but rather steal it all for themselves.

So what you are saying is there is a time limit for rights. Is that correct?

 

So there is a time limit for right of return?

If, after centuries of being ruled over by various entities and suddenly those entities left, creating a vacuum, I see no difficulty in native Americans seeking their own nation alongside European colonizers. I would see a problem if the UN made a serious recommendation and one side took them up on it and the other side, rather than live in peace along the lines of that recommendation attempted to destroy the other though.

Ancient to some is the age on an item such as a car that is classified as an antique. Using that formula I'd say that Palestinians don't have a leg to stand on.

 

Re-read it...It's still a load of old codswallop.

 

So whomever is sitting on the land owns it. Well, that sort of makes the Palestinians case moot then doesn't it?

 

It's quite common here for posts to display a poor understanding of the term ' nation '. Yours is no exception.

 

Firstly, as The Judge correctly pointed out, the Jews who immigrated to Palestine did not 'return.' They are Europeans who had no connection to Palestine whatsoever. Since their absence, the national and religious make up of Palestine changed significantly. They were completely alien to the land when they arrived, and the indigenous people did not want them. Their limit to 'return' had long passed.

We are not talking about European colonizers, we are talking about Americans! So you would have no problem if the UN decided to partition the US and give more than half of the territory to the Native Americans, even though indigenous Americans refused such a deal? And you would have a problem if Americans (who correctly thought that America was their land, as it had been for centuries) decided to fight the Native Americans.

Nice to know.

 

Correct Jerusalem is the Capital of Israel and the Golan Heights were part and parcel of the Mandate for Palestine!!!!!!!

 

Jews are not alien to their country for in daily prayers (three times a day) they cry out for their return to Zion = Israel... As a Lebanese/Phoenician check King Hiram providing Salomon the timber to build the Temple on Temple Mount... Sooooo in other words you as Sancho Panza are fighting wind-mills.

Silly rant so this goes also for South America and Canada and Australia... Fighting Wind Mills again???

 

Jews who for more that a thousand of years resided in Europe certainly are alien to Palestine.

 

HBendor, as you mentioned the Golan and are a staunch Israeli supporter, I'd like to ask you whether you can fill me in about the Israeli government's foreign policy position towards Syria. Is the Israeli stance sympathetic to the idea that the Syrian dictator is better kept in power on the premise that you won't have to relinguish the Golan, or do you sense there is a real apetite in Israel for your government, as it were, to run the risk of letting the current impasse in Syria play out its course without a concerted US/Israeli presence in terms of troops on the ground? Or thirdly, do you anticipate anytime soon that Israel will intervene?

 

Let's test the logic of your solution, shall we? If there's a criminal who's been trying to kill me and my family, would it be smart on my part to invite the criminal to move into my house? Probably not! Refusing that criminal the right to occupy my house in NOT extemism, it's common sense. The result of your "solution" would be no different that the one attempted through Arab military action; i.e., the destruction of Israel. Genocide by any other name is still genocide.

 

Occupied Palestine ain't ' your house '.

The Israelis should accept One State under democracy as soon as possible. Currently, they are destroying thier own legitimacy .

 

Creation, I do understand your point. I believe that you may be totally sincere in what you feel would achieve peace and Israel's continued existence. There's an important consideration that must be understood in every "negotiation". That consideration is the character, honesty, and trustworthiness of those with whom you negotiate. The character, honesty, and trustworthiness of the Palestinians and the Islamic states with whom Israel would negotiate is HIGHLY questionable.

It's like the old fable of the Frog and the Scorpion. The scorpion needed to cross a river. Since he couldn't swim across the river, he asked a frog if he would swim him across the river with the scorpion on the frog's back. The frog, knowing that scorpions tend to sting and kill, was reluctant to do so. The scorpion calmed the frog by telling him that he wouldn't sting the frog. If the scorpion stung and killed the frog, the scorpion would die too from drowning. That reassured the frog, so he allowed the scorpion to get onto his back. Halfway across the river, the scorpion stung the frog. As he began to die, the frog said, "Why did you do this? You'll drown and die too.!" The scorpion replied, "I tried not to sting you, but I couldn't help myself. It is MY NATURE!" The nature of radical Islam is like that of the scorpion. The domination and/or destruction of those who practice other religions is their nature. Their promises and treaties mean nothing to them.

 

Israel's history is not one of stupidity! Palestinians don't practice democracy! The word is foreign in the Islamic world! Telling us that if the Palestinians were included in one state with Israel, they'd be suddenly changed into peace-loving, tolerant democrats, is a pipe-dream. The Palestinian majority would soon vote to put yellow stars on Jews and exterminate them "democratically".

You still have not addressed my original question. I asked what solution you could accept that would allow Israel to exist in peace. Your solution does NOT allow Israel to exist at all.

 

Americans on average, including many Jewish Americans, seem incapable of understanding the true complexity of the Arab-Israeli conflict and the issue of creating a Palestinian state. It's my belief that the ONLY solution that would satisfy most in the Arab world is the total elimination of Israel. Whether that be accomplished through force or by creating one state that includes both Israelis and Palestinians, the result would be Israel's total elimination. As I've said here before, you cannot negotiate with an opponent whose only solution is your elimination.

 

One State under democracy would eliminate Zionism, not Israel. Israel is a legal entity. Zionist is a brutal doctrine of ethnic cleansing.

 

NO.
The Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) is a brutal doctrine of ethnic cleansing.

 

BS and propaganda lies, Israel didnt break the cease fire with Gaza even once, those ppl that got arrested did, they violeted the agreement by crossing the agreed border by land and sea, if you cant understand that it only proves agreements means nothing to you ppl.

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Israel is not led by any "brutal doctrine of ethnic cleansing", it retaliates to Hamas brutal doctrine of ethnic cleansing.

 

It is not for you to judge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jews have an allegiance to their country and have proven by their multitude their return to the Land of their ancestors... More than half of world Jews are back at home...

 

This is another 'truism' that cannot be denied... the sole reason for the creation of the word 'Palestine' in 1964 is another reason for regrouping the Arab world for the destruction of Israel... Palestine was the name of a geographical area of South Syria was opted for this same purpose... there was NEVER a Palestinian State in History and the creation of such 'anomaly' is joining in the destruction of Democratic Israel.

 

Whoops !

 

No they werent, they were ancient and temporary kingdoms. No one alive in 1888 had ever been there. Palestine was known to its people, wether or not it was an independent nation state with its own national army, etc etc is completely irrelevant.

So what in international law gives jewish people Palestine on the basis that it belongs to them already?

Why would they divide their land with a settler people whod never been there? And in general how do people who've lived on land have no more rights than those jewish from europe?

Yes, how can jewish people born in europe have rights to somewhere else? Explain it to us. It must be a simple matter of logic since you believe it so firmly.

 

I liked this post, it is clear and honest. So lets stick to points of contention that come out of this;

The character, honesty, and trustworthiness of Israel and zionism itself whom the PA and Hamas would negotiate is HIGHLY questionable. The record clearly shows this. Given that, it makes no sense to talk of, who is trustworthy and who is not, both are simply hard bargainers.

Israel is not dealing with radical Islam in regards to the PA. Nor in regard to the rest of the arab world. The PA has been cooperating with the Israeli government closely in the west bank for some years now.

 

Simply not in line with the historical record.