AGW Deniers: Grand conspiracy or everyone wrong

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  1. Vegas giants

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    Another claim without a reference. Sounds to me like your personal opinion. And we know what that is worth. LOL
     
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    What is incorrect about his accounting of the history of Mann, Nature, and McIntyre's attempt to verify the Hockey Stick reconstruction ?? Nothing.
     
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    I have repeatedly asked for where other scientists are required to turn over the type of information you are requesting and you have failed to show evidence they do. I am not going to take the word of an accountant
     
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    Like I said, your ignorance on these matters is not my responsibility.
     
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    And yours is not mine. LOL
     
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    If it were, you would not be posting such uneducated posts.
     
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    My major problem is the construction of the hockey stick graph.

    First and of major importance is that the rise is tiny. It seems gigantic on the hockey stick graph. It misrepresents what is happening.

    If it shows a super tiny increase, that I accept.

    If it wants to purport that humans caused a super tiny rise, sure. I have no problem with that.

    But the alarmists run around posting with their hair on fire.

    They act as if we have a heat wave.

    I assure you that a couple degrees up over 150 years is no heatwave.

    Sorry but your graph is phony.

    I will put it like this.

    If you had $1.00 in 1860 and today you have $1.02, you have not progressed much at all.

    The hockey stick tries to create an urgency.
     
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    And you as well

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    You simply do not understand the metrics. You see a small number so you think that results in a small effect. You are just wrong
     
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    I am fully aware of how this works.

    In my courses, over some years, I have drawn many graphs.

    Why do they use the graph?

    To distort the information.
     
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    Again you are entitled to your opinion. But you are simply a grain of sand on a large beach
     
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    Because you are the authority?
     
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    The information provided by Mr. Montford is detailed and checkable. It provides an accurate documentation of the deceptions and dishonesty exhibited by Mann and the rest of the Hockey Team. I am using Montford's description of the history concerning Mann's data and methods to point out specifically that deception. You avoid addressing this by implying that other scientists are not required to do this (McIntyre and McKitrick have provided everything) and then arguing that Mann should not be required to do so as well. This avoids the fundamental question and obligation of Mann to willingly provide all data and methods for public scrutiny especially if repeatedly asked by an independent analyst(s).
     
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    You have a quote from an accountant. Nothing more
     
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    In other words, you cannot address the facts but rely on yet another logical fallacy. Priceless.
     
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    An accountant! This really is priceless
     
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    Thanks for proving my point.
     
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    Hey...I know a plumber that says agw is real. Lol
     
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    Are you really a plumber?
     
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    For you and the other hard core Democrats or left wingers as the case may be, to badger some of us so much, you appear to think you are losing.

    Below is your famous graph. Take a hard close look. Notice the up tick is very tiny as degrees goes.

    Since you like analogies, let's offer this.

    Suppose in 1860 you had a dollar. $1.00 and today you have 2 cents more, is that a lot over that span of time?

    We can just ignore inflation to keep it simple.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Every science organization in the world, every country on the planet, the Vatican, every political party on the planet (except the gop), the DOD, most major oil companies....etc. Losing? We are running up the score! LOL
     
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    Politics is not science, not that you would understand.
     
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    Its a blowout folks!
     
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    Be sure to use a vacuum to get all those brain bits laying about you.
     
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    Boogie Woogie. LOL
     
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    Thanks again for showing your level of education!
     

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