Ahhh....The Gimmee Generation (aka The Liberal Way)

You trying to suggest Grandma's bridge clubs all over America control legislation?
"Unlimited" contributions is problem number one. Problem number two is poor or average people CAN'T be represented because unlimited cash is king. You know that. Joe sixpack gets screwed all the way around. These hacks take salaries from the taxpayer AND the lobbyists. Why do we have to pay any of these guys?

Screwed, corrupt, evil, system is what we have, and it needs to be imploded somehow. You have more money, you get what you want. That's screwed up dude. Everybody knows it. The fact that you right wingers go to such great lengths to defend that mentality tells the story though.


Corrupt, evil.....burn it. God will take care of it....I shouldn't get so wrapped up in this futile nonsense, but, it's entertaining I suppose, and it keeps me from going out of the house except when absolutely needed. Too many goofballs out there.

 

A lot of twisting going on with you. First off, to point to your two examples and then somehow try to use that as your basis for all corporations is intellectually dishonest and simply using a straw man tactic. I've worked for corporations all my life and have been taken care of just fine (thank you very much). Here's the important point....I CHOSE to work there. They made me an offer that I thought was fair and I accepted it (no gun to my head). That's the way life works. I'm not pointing at the isolated examples that you and another poster pointed out. Clearly if people are oppressed, that's a different situation. And nowhere in my comments did I indicate anything of the sort (even though you seem to think that). I pointed out that not everyone is going to agree with our moral code. And as an example, I mentioned that I had started working early (by my choice). Did odd jobs, had a paper route, etc. I see nothing wrong with it and yet you have to be 16 to get a work permit in my state. Apparently that fits in with the "morally wrong" viewpoint of the Liberals in my state. So sad, too bad. You seem to like to throw that word greed around without understanding that once you start setting rules in place, that can be quite the slippery slope. For example, you have a computer and internet service (unless you're going to somehow convince us that you go and spend your time at some library and get this for free....I'll tell you in advance that I'm not buying that). I am sure there are people living in slums that would think you are quite well off to have this ability. I'd love to see where you live, what modern conveniences you have, and then show you someone that has considerably less and ask why that is fair (and why shouldn't they be able to steal everything you have to make their life better). The fact of the matter is, whether you want to admit it or not, you are greedy and you do things for your own self interest (nothing wrong with that). And I clearly stated in my first reply..."As long as that greed is due to people being ambitious, entrepreneurial, and following law abiding practices, I say the more the merrier"...so please don't twist my words.

 

Okay, First off, I never said ALL companies do immoral things, So please don't spin my responses.

Secondly, I understand the whole 'We have it so much better than many others on the planet' thing. The problem is, Whereas we actually sacrificed to get our wealth (the whole workers rights revolution and such), other countries are stealing away our wealth by undercutting us. Questionably immoral to say the least. Why can't they overthrow their oppressive governments, institute workers rights and environmental regulations, and compete on a FAIR playing field?

You like greed? You want greed? FINE. You'll get greed. Just remember, not everyone shares your ideals on how much greed is too much, or what methods to use greed are right or wrong. When the masses of poor and homeless band together and FORCE the laws to change to benefit themselves, don't come crying to us.

 

I'm not spinning your responses. But you seem to want to look at isolated instances and ask how is this "fair". My point is you don't look at those instances and make decisions for whole groups of people. And now you get into another one of those areas....FAIR (just like your diatribe on Greed). Is it fair that a guy like Tom Brady of the Patriots or Eli Manning of the Giants have incredible talents for playing football and make millions? Why wasn't I born with a golden arm and ability to decipher defenses? Is it fair that Clark Gable was born with incredible looks that drove women wild and an ability to act, which in turn gave him the ability to make tons of money? Why wasn't I born that way? We can go on forever with this nonsense. And yet, there are people that want to limit those people's right to be as successful as possible all in the name of fairness or to limit greed. And by doing that, you take away my right to enjoy the talents of their work (which I am doing by my choice). Of course there will be excesses and perhaps people won't use the money in a way that YOU see fit (oh well). IMHO, I believe (and there are many examples to support this), a Capitalistic system (that is not restricted by government) provide the most opportunities for all to escape the poverty and abusive systems that you speak of (and obviously you disagree with that...which is fine and why we all have the ability to vote our conscience). I simply hope the people with my viewpoint win out.

P.S. I assure you I will never come crying to you.

 

No, they've just never learned to study hard, get a good job and save and invest.

 

Look, if you guys think we have a problem with freeloaders here, you should see a lot of the rest of the First World.

There isn't much of a left wing to speak of in America, but that doesn't seem to stop right wingers from freaking out about it.

What they really should focus on are the corporatists. The elites who exploit our system don't really care if you're liberal, conservative, or something else. All they care about is getting the government to bail them out when they screw something up while minimizing what they pay in taxes.

If you want to freak out over something, it should be certain elements of big business.

 

Those things are not practical options for everyone, nor is it actually in everyone's best interest for everyone to get cushy good jobs. We actually need ditch-diggers, shovel-wielders and manual-laborers in this country same as everywhere else. All this technology is nice but it doesn't actually eliminate the need in society for people to get their hands dirty once in a while. Therefore, society has a moral responsibility to make sure that ditch-diggers, shovel-wielders and manual-laborers can still afford to go to the dentist.

We all acknowledge that it takes money to make money, right? Sure, you can theoretically start with very little and turn it into a lot, but that takes time and energy that not everyone can afford.

Besides, even if poor people are just bad people, failed human beings, which nobody really believes when they stop to think about it in the first place -- how does that change the way the rest of us should treat them?

 

Hey, I understand that some people more talent than others, I do not fault them for that. For those sports stars and movie actors, The demand is not as easy to fill, and I can see why they can write their own paychecks, so to speak.

When someones decisions start to affect my lifestyle and ability to survive, that is when I start to fight back. When my employers decide to outsource to other countries and lay me off, When they decide to start heaping more and more work on me without an increase in pay, When they decide to influence the government and laws to eliminate our workplace and environmental protections, all of these are directly against MY best interests. And by MY, I mean all people in similar situations. That is when I start to get worried.

And I am sorry. I do not believe a capitalistic society alone would not be the best outcome. When people are reduced to figures and widgets and the people in power begin to make decisions based solely on numbers, It De-humanizes society. And those people are not widgets. They can think and act based on their beliefs and emotions just as surely as the capitalists can. We just have different goals and ideas than the capitalists. I really believe a mixed capitalist and socialist economy would be the best outcome, with the leaning changing over time as needed to meet the needs of the people.

So, I guess we don't have anything more to discuss, do we? I don't think you will be changing your mind, And I don't believe I will change mine. So I guess we will have to wait and let the chips fall where they may.

Thank you for your time.

 

Unfortunately, you still don't get it and the highlighted paragraph emphasizes that. All the things you talk about, you are in complete control of. I have reinvented myself three times in my life time because I didn't care for the job situation I was in (and I know of many others that have also). You choose to blame an employer for your problems (similar to the way the "occupy" group blames Wall Street and these students want others to take care of them). I, on the other hand, don't let the situation control me (I control it). It's all about personal responsibility and taking charge of one's own life and one's own self interest. When you choose to accept that, you will be able to stop with your "blame" game. Until then, you are no different than these students.

 

What's even more interesting is the professor does his own blog and this was one of his entries after the 2nd exam he gave out (can't say that I'm surprised)

71.4%

I just finished grading my second exam of the semester - an exam that covered only four chapters. The chapters covered supply and demand analysis and health care economics. Here are the numbers:

A - 2
B- 5
C - 17
D or F - 60

71.4% of my students failed with a D or F.

Here is the most amazing part: The highest grade was a 99 - earned by a Chinese male. The second highest grade was a 96 - earned by a Russian female. The third highest grade was an 86 - earned by an Indian male.

There it is. While my American students - spend their time on Facebook, playing video games, YouTubing, texting and generally goofing off, my Chinese, Russian and Indian students are reading, studying and representing a picture of where this nation is heading.

Happy Thanksgiving.

 

And there you go, absolving corporations of blame entirely. You assume I WANT to reinvent myself. Sorry. I don't have the time or money to go spending to start a new career in a field I most likely would not enjoy. I am happy with the career I have. I enjoy helping people solve their problems, and I'm pretty good at it.

So why should I HAVE to reinvent myself just because those greedy corporations want to make the most profits they can get away with? Especially when they resort to morally questionable tactics to make their profits.

You go and say I should be the one to conform or adapt. No, I believe it is the mega corporations that need to conform and adapt. And seeing as those poor and have-nots are the majority of people in this country, and are getting increasingly angry and desperate to improve their situations, I see the laws changing to benefit us and limit corporate greed very soon.

Thank you for your time.

 

Why should you have to adapt? Gee...I don't know. Why don't you talk to Steel Mill workers in Pittsburgh? Why don't you talk to every energy company put out of business by the push for "green" energy? Perhaps it's because technology is not going to stand still for you just because you want to play the "victim" role. Personally, I couldn't care less if you want to adapt to changing times. Go ahead and continue to blame others for your problems. It's a perfect MO for you. Let us all know when you decide you want to grow up and be an adult. Again, no better than the students in the video.

 

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=661pi6K-8WQ"]EAT THE RICH! - YouTube[/ame]

 

Seems like opening minds and opening other people's wallets have a lot in common....

 

Sorry I am not 'adapting' in the way that YOU want, I'll adapt in my own way, thanks. Technology eliminating jobs is a problem, one that will take a creative solution to fix, however it is only one factor of our current situation. Once we have dealt with shady business practices, overdone greed, and misuse and abuse of our welfare and assistance programs, I will be glad to take a look at correcting this problem as well.

If you don't see a problem with the way things are now, I can only suggest one thing for you. Kill the poor and 'lazy' now. Kill them before they amass the greater numbers. Kill them before they become angry enough at the rich to the point where they start using violence and force to get what they want. Because if you do not, I really do believe it will happen. Maybe not right away. Maybe not even in my lifetime. But I am fairly certain it WILL happen as soon as the poor and middle class (which already make up the majority of people in this country) are backed to the proverbial wall and get angry enough to fight instead of flight.

Thank you for your time.

 

Still having problems with reading comprehension I see. You must have missed the part that said I couldn't care less if you chose to adapt or not (I really won't lose any sleep over it nor will any businesses). There are plenty of other immature children out there like you that think the answer to the world's problems are to throw a brick through a window when they can't get their way. Perhaps you'll be a product of Darwin's natural selection process, since you have the misguided notion of thinking the world caters to you. Don't want to shock you here, but there is no Santa Claus. No one is just going to give you things no matter how big a temper tantrum you want to have. Again, just like the children in the video.

 

Eh? I can read just fine. I'm sorry to see though, that you believe YOUR way is the only right one. No compromise, no love. It's attitudes like yours that will eventually result in the destruction of humanity. When people are reduced to numbers and parts, It takes the soul out of people. Greed may be good, but too much greed is deadly.

Truthfully, I would much rather work for what I have than just take it. I'm not looking for a free lunch here, I like to be productive. Problem is, too many people these days subscribe to the taking method, and not all of them are poor. Many rich people subscribe to amassing wealth at ANY cost, and are taking advantage of my productivity by not paying me what I'm truly worth. I can't even go to another business, as most, if not all businesses subscribe to the same business practices.

You must love that darwin selection process, huh? Better hope things do not get bad enough to the point where I may fall to it, because if my only choices are to steal and murder to live, or die, you better believe I will steal and murder. I want to LIVE, and when all of my options for living (especially for living well) are being taken from me, I will fight back with what I have. Fortunately, I have a decent paying job and I am able to live well enough to where things are not bad enough for me to start risking my life. And it's not just up to me to keep it that way.

What you fail to realize, or admit, as that in some capacity, EVERYONE'S actions have an effect on EVERYONE around them. If I decided not to work, it wouldn't just be my life on the line. My sister and her family, whom I roommate with, would suffer as well as a result of my decisions. I love my family dearly, and they love me. It makes me much less inclined to do risky things.

Problem is, the bigger and greedier corporations get, the more riskier things they do to satiate their never-ending drive for wealth, and their actions affect the lives and well being of everyone below them. It affects their employees and their families. Same can be said for government, or any other large group of people that can do things on a great scale.

So fine, call me a child. I've read news stories on those flash mobs of teenagers that rampage across the country. Do you really want things for the poor to get so bad that you start to see that on a nationwide scale? Americans are petty and cruel. And I don't know about you, but if I go down because of actions like corporate greed, I will take as many of the rich and corporations down with me that I can.

Take it for what you will.

 

Nothing to add to that. Enjoy your killing ways.