Aid to Gaza suspended after Israel murders World Central Kitchen workers

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    Ari Weitzner
     
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    2006 was 18 years ago.
    And do you have any actual evidence to support your claim? Or is that just wishful thinking to justify the Zionist's genocide of the Palestinians instead of seeking a two state solution
     
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    Why didn't the UN act?

    Israel leaving Gaza after 4 decades to the control of the Palestinian Authority was a two state solution. Hamas violently seized control of Gaza in 2006 and began to attack Israeli civilian neighborhoods committing both an act of war and war crimes. A two state solution is not possible. That is the historical record.
     
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    Once again Democrats abandon an ally in the middle of a fight. This time is particularly appalling because our ally Israel is a parliamentary democracy fighting a terrorist organization Hamas funded by Iran which provides the most funding for terrorism of any other nation. Disgusting.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/democr...t=The late, great,Gaza’s humanitarian tragedy.
     
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    So the only solution for the Zionists is to continue to commit genocide of the Palestinians and takeover of their land which they have occupied for millenia.
     
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    I can see that the historical record and/or factual information is irrelevant. You are committed to your faith based narrative that the parliamentary democracy of Israel is bad and the terrorist organization Hamas is good. You are committed to your faith based narrative that Israel is committing genocide whilst denying that Hamas which specifies genocide in their charter is not committing genocide.

    Your post above confirms that factual information is irrelevant. It's quite amazing a scary to see the effects of faith based narratives.
     
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    What on Earth has that got to do with a two state solution where the West Bank is gradually being taken over by the Zionists?
    And where have I claimed that Hamas is good or that Israel is bad, except for the Zionists.
     
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    That is your faith based opinion. It's very clear from your statements and your refusal to answer questions.

    Let's try your understanding of history. Why didn't the United Nations Emergency Forces stop the 1967 war. They were stationed in Egypt.
     
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    Dunno, I wasn't there.
    Why didn't the UN ensure that two separate independent countries were created after 1947, instead of just allowing the Zionists to achieve their goals based on their faith.
     
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    The United Nations did just that in 1947. Please note the Jewish State and the Arab state. Please do some homework before responding.

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    So why aren't there two independent separate countries of similar size there now. And why did the United Nations take their eye off the ball and the Zionist's aims to dislodge the Palestinians, and did they concentrate on the Korean Peninsula instead?
     
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    Loaded question.
     
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    Google "gish gallop". You apparently have no idea what it means.

    Evidence of a considerable Jewish population during the talmudic period in Gaza is provided also by a relief of a menorah, a shofar, a lulav, and an etrog, which appear on a pillar of the Great Mosque of Gaza; and various Hebrew and Greek inscriptions. According to the Karaite Sahl b. Maẓli'aḥ, Gaza, Tiberias, and Zoar were the three centers of pilgrimages in Ereẓ Israel during the Byzantine period.
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    In a great battle fought near Gaza in 635, the Arabs vanquished the Byzantines; the city itself fell soon afterward. It remained the seat of the governor of the Negev, as is known from the Nessana Papyri. The Jewish and Samaritan communities flourished under Arab rule; in the eighth century, R. Moses, one of the masoretes, lived there. In the 11th century R. Ephraim of Gaza was head of the community of Fostat (old Cairo).
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    Meshullam of Volterra in 1481 found 60 Jewish householders there and four Samaritans. All the wine of Gaza was produced by the Jews (A.M. Luncz, in Yerushalayim, 1918). Obadiah of Bertinoro records that when he was there in 1488, Gaza's rabbi was a certain Moses of Prague who had come from Jerusalem (Zwei Briefe, ed. by A. Neubauer (1863), 19). Gaza flourished under Ottoman rule; the Jewish community was very numerous in the 16th and 17th centuries. The Karaite Samuel b. David found a Rabbanite synagogue there in 1641 (Ginzei Yisrael be-St. Petersburg, ed. by J. Gurland (1865), 11). In the 16th century there were a bet din and a yeshivah in Gaza, and some of its rabbis wrote scholarly works. Farm-owners were obliged to observe the laws of terumah ("priestly tithe"), ma'aserot ("tithes"), and the sabbatical year. At the end of the 16th century the Najara family supplied some of its rabbis; Israel *Najara, son of the Damascus rabbi Moses Najara, author of the "Zemirot Yisrael," was chief rabbi of Gaza and president of the bet din in the mid-17th century. In 1665, on the occasion of Shabbetai Ẓevi's visit to Gaza, the city became a center of his messianic movement, and one of his principal disciples was *Nathan of Gaza. The city was occupied by Napoleon for a short time in 1799. In the 19th century, the city declined. The Jews concentrated there were mainly barley merchants; they bartered with the Bedouins for barley which they exported to the beer breweries in Europe.
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    Under Mandatory rule Gaza developed slowly; the last Jews left the town as a result of the anti-Jewish Arab disturbances in 1929.​

    https://www.encyclopedia.com/places/asia/west-bank-and-gaza-political-geography/gaza#2587507101
     
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    Please study your history. Five Arab countries attacked the Jewish state in 1948. They lost resulting in this new map. The Arabs have been losing ever since. Have you heard of the 1967 six day war?

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    IOW the aim of the Zionists is to exterminate the Palestinians and steal their land which they have occupied for millenia.
     
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    And again it can plainly seen that the faith based narrative is immune to factual information and historical record. Breathtaking and a waste of time to respond to faith based narratives. Facts don't matter.
     
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    Why doesn't the Biden administration pressure the Egyptian government to open its border which is very close to Rafah to allow refugees from Rafah to flee the city? What would Hamas do to civilians of Rafah who tried to leave the city of Rafah?
     
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    How so? You have to balance effectively waging the war against avoiding civilian casualties, you cannot forfeit the former for the sake of the latter.
     
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    Abraham was born in Iraq? Iraq?!?!?!?!?!?

    You should sue your history teacher.
     
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    Reply to the red bolded part of your post.

    Were you there for thousands of years to make sure that a non-Jewish Palestinian nation lived for millennia in what will become Palestine? Just asking since you seem to claim that you can't know what really happened if you're not there when it happens.
     
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    We saw Hamas car bomb several civilian convoys trying to flee to the south as directed by Israel. Hamas murdered them for that because Hamas didn't want it's human shields to flee.
     
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    In this case, civilians have been given zero value. In fact, purposefully starving them to death has been a key tactic, and dropping bombs on housing units and totally destroying hospitals has been a key feature of IDF activity.

    The point is, if that is how the war is being waged, why would they put in the time to be effective in not killing aid workers?

    So far, they have killed hundreds of aid workers, press, and other noncombatants.

    What's surprising that people have given this particular case so much notice.
     
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    I don't understand your point.

    Are you arguing that history is unknowable?

    Are you suggesting that Zionists have no idea about history?
     
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    Hamas is to blame for all deaths in Gaza.
     
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    Based on postings it's obvious who has no understanding of history.
     

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