Alabama court ruled frozen embryos are children.

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  1. MiaBleu

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    Not really all that "developed" a nation , is it, when one sees the hard facts.
     
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    the next thing the right is gonna go after is birth control, can count on that
     
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    But never viagra
     
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    Lols - saw this as a comment
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    I can't say that embryos can function before they're born.
     
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    Why can you freeze and embryo and not a baby?

    Because an embryo is not a person.

    Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
     
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  7. Maquiscat

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    Actually, no. As of 2014, there have been over 250 persons who have been cryogenicly frozen. There is nothing that makes the distinction between person and non person being able to be frozen.
     
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    And as of February 26, 2024 we have no way of resuscitating any of those frozen people. None. Zero.
    They are effectively dead.
     
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  9. Bluesguy

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    This is about a couple suing a clinic that through negligence caused the death of their under the Alabama state constitution and law children. It is not about contraception do try to focus.
     
  10. Bluesguy

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    You never studied biology and learned the difference between and ovum and an embryo, haploid and diploid cells?

    BTW does your country regulate and control IV procedure's?
     
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    An embryo IS a baby.

    It is a human being in the embryo stage of it's life just as you went through an embryo stage in your life.

    Why are you soliciting thanks for your misinformation?
     
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    And the next thing the left is gonna go after is mother being able to kill their babies weeks after they were born.

    See both sides can play the hair on fire hyperbole game.

    You do know this ruling does not BAN IV in the state?
     
  13. Bluesguy

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    Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics..........................a great book you should read it

    The U.S. Maternal Mortality Crisis Is a Statistical Illusion
    Accurate counting has produced a seemingly dire death rate.

    Among the 55 World Bank-identified high-income countries for which the World Health Organization (WHO) also provides maternal mortality estimates, the WHO reported a median maternal mortality rate of 7 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births in 2019. Some countries, such as Poland, Norway, and Israel, report figures at or below 3 deaths per 100,000. Within those rankings, the WHO put the United States 45th, at almost 20 maternal deaths per 100,000 births. That’s a dismal showing for so wealthy a country—and one that’s produced an enormous amount of commentary blaming the high rate on everything from cesarean sections to aging mothers to racism.

    However, these figures are completely wrong, and they have been known to be wrong for many years now. The U.S. National Center for Health Statistics, the branch of the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) charged with collating health and vital statistics, has published three separate reports elaborating in excruciating detail on one crucial fact about U.S. maternal mortality: It is measured in a vastly more expansive way than anywhere else in the world.

    As a result, U.S. maternal mortality is overestimated by two to three times. Properly measured, the real U.S. maternal mortality rate in 2019 was 9.9 maternal deaths per 100,000 births, which would put it at 36th place—still not impressive by comparison, but somewhat better than Canada and a bit worse than Finland or the United Kingdom. And as we’ll see, even that rate may have more to do with U.S. mortality as a whole than with specific pregnancy-related issues.....
    https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/01/31/united-states-maternal-mortality-crisis-statistics-health/
     
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    They can until some outside force temporarily suspends their functioning.
     
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    that is a Republican thing, remember Bush and Texas

    the right loves to pull the plug on the poor... even without the parents consent

    "Bush Criticized for End-of-Life Laws"

    https://web.archive.org/web/20051219170102/http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,151448,00.html

    "But on March 15, a Texas law signed by then-Gov. George W. Bush (search) in 1999 allowed the hospital to go ahead and take Sun off the respirator in defiance of Wanda Hudson's wishes."
     
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    Yes and the left just loves to kill babies, as I said both sides can play you hyperbole game.
     
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    Bush Jr was not the left

    if we cared about life, we would have universal health care
     
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    Resuscitation was not part of your assertion. Further, the failure to be able to resuscitate those individuals has nothing to do with them being persons or not. We can't do it with animals yet, and they're not persons. Personhood is a red herring on this issue, as far as who/what can be frozen and/or resuscitated.
     
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    Yeah but they have no way of thawing them and have them viable after being frozen. Famously, Walt Disney was supposed to have been frozen - something that is hard to google because if you put in “Disney Frozen…………” :p
     
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    However we can only freeze them IF they have been pronounced clinically dead.
     
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    And fewer guns and people caring enough about others that they get vaccinated and……
     
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    Like an inability to implant into a viable and favourable environment?
     
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    And negligence is a viable legal avenue, no this was one of the “faux” lawsuits brought for one purpose and one purpose only - to get a sympathetic nd in this case brain addled religious TWONK to rule as he did
     
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    Do I have to put the word “joke” on a meme just for …….
     
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    Absolutely.

    We seem to get more worked up about embryos than living, breathing people here in America.
     
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