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  1. Thought Criminal

    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Why did Trump, Giuliani, McConnell, and Barr conspire to create the Covid 19 virus?
     
  2. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Give me a direct quote for any that and right now most what the alphabet soup media is relaying is about as fact based as The Three Little Pigs.
     
  3. struth

    struth Well-Known Member

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    Wow, you are really mad bro..lots of projection here.
     
  4. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is a perception issue. Perhaps you should consider the possibility that YOU are the person with the problem. The person not seeing things realistically; the person whose perception and values are distorted.
    While it's never comfortable to consider that possibility, it's a lot wiser to do that rather than digging a deeper hole for yourself and blaming everyone else for your being in it.

    And of course, Trump can beat Bernie. If Bernie runs, it tells the public that the democrats endorse socialism and the misery and tyranny that goes with it. That will taint the entire party, and many other dem positions will go down with him; it will be a loss everywhere. The majority of democratic management knows this, which is why they are trying to shut Bernie out. The reason Trump can beat Bernie is obvious to anyone who has pride, and wants to remain free- although not to those who can't see beyond the promise of living off someone else. Not all democrats are blind; if Bernie should manage to garner the nomination, a large percentage of dems will vote for Trump, just on the basis of least evil. The dems have no candidates that could win; the best thing they could do is to nominate a person to lose that would at least appear to be an honorable candidate.

    Anyone who can look at the conduct of the politicians of today and say the republicans are the ones embracing dirty tricks and crooked plays has got a serious problem with perception.
     
  5. Quantum Nerd

    Quantum Nerd Well-Known Member

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    Happy to oblige:

    ""They tried to get you on Russia, Russia, Russia; they couldn't do it," he continued. "They tried the impeachment hoax that was on a perfect conversation ... This is their new hoax."

    "I think the financial markets are very upset when they look at the Democratic candidates standing on that stage making fools out of themselves, when they look at the statements made... I think that has a huge effect,"

    Now, I think you still owe me quotes where Peolsi and Schumer said that the coronavirus outbreak is the end of the world?
     
  6. Jimbo11

    Jimbo11 Well-Known Member

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    I asked you to tell me what other president stood at a rally and urged his supporters to vote in the opposing primary to get them the opponent they want. You avoided the question.

    I have no doubt that trump will win a second term. If his underhanded cheating doesn't do it....Putin will post more fake conspiracies on Facebook to help him.

    Do....answer my question above....
     
  7. God & Country

    God & Country Well-Known Member

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    That's what we said about Obama, only it was true and you folks still get damp in your panties at the mention of his name.
     
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    I would love a discussion based on facts. First I’ll address your analogy. We know goats and sheep are from the family Bovidae. We know goats and sheep share a similar genome. Even though the sheep genome more closely mirrors that of bovines than goats, gene loci on sheep and goat chromosomes are quite similar. We know genes exist in both species that can be expressed phenotypically in existence of horns. More importantly, we have observable samples of both sheep and goats with horns.

    Knowing all this it’s not logical to base predictions on existence of horns on the fact both species are ruminants. That is a step backwards.

    Moving on to viruses, we have much the same kind of evidence as with sheep and goats. Going forward I need to know what all I need to provide. Do you have any knowledge of the reasons influenzas etc. are often seasonal? I’m loath to waste energy providing information if you already have the knowledge.
    I don’t see how Trump is handling this much differently than predecessors. Pence has been criticized as choice to coordinate, but it’s following precedent.
    This is a pull quote from KVAL out of Oregon.
    full link here: https://kval.com/news/local/obama-names-ebola-czar-as-precautions-expand-11-12-2015
    After his appointment, a part of Klein’s work was making sure the official narrative of the CDC and administration didn’t contradict. This article outlines a case where there was confusion because of lack of consensus on communications. Pretty much what Pence is trying to avoid today.

    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ebola-czar-ron-klain

    Moving on, after criticism from the left, Pence brought in Dr. Birx, a beloved Obama appointee. Does that matter to you? Do you think she is now a Trump lackey unconcerned with public health? Do you think she will be complicit in hiding facts from you? Do you think Tony Fauci will tow the Trump line? Do you think Fauci is lying when he says reports of him being silenced are misconstrued? Is he lying when he says you will always hear the truth from him? Is he out of line by saying there are underlying reasons to believe COVID19 could be seasonal?
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's a silly question that you are trying to turn into a point of argument. I have no doubt other candidates have done the same in one form or another, but I'm not going to research every speech ever me to prove it to you- not my obligation. Basic strategy would dictate it would be preferable to have the most likely loser in that slot I would imagine Trump prefers Bernie in particular because Bernie losing in a landslide means socialism loses in a landslide, and he would like the people to see that. I'm for Bernie for the same reason- lets crush it and be done with it. This is an adversarial contest, and the dems have made nearly everything normal by the endless abuses they have pulled. But regardless, why would you consider that offensive?
    Because Trump did it, of course. If the left could make a problem out of a loose shoelace on Trump, they would. jump on it.
     
  10. Jimbo11

    Jimbo11 Well-Known Member

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    You can't....trump is a jerk....Bye!
     

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