AMERICAN MOON (2017): A fascinating documentary about the Moan Hoax from start to finish

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    It's not.

    Your theory has been destroyed.

    There was no hoax
     
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    You couldn't unravel a packet of biscuits. You are trolling and are completely afraid to debate with any logic or integrity. Why is that? Do you get pleasure out of making noise on the internet? A tiny selection of material below demonstrating that you are a follower of liars and fools.

    Here's your idiot Marcus Allen getting his ass kicked:
    White Noise: Marcus Allen -- Pure Genius - YouTube

    The crank Kaysing who thought there should be stars in photography!
    According to Bill Kaysing, the Apollo astronauts never left the earth.
    "The Apollo 11 vehicle, or Saturn 5, was sent out of people's sight, and then it was jettisoned into the South Atlantic, where all of the six [sic] that were launched now reside. There were no astronauts, of course, on board." (Nardwuar interview)

    According to Bill Kaysing, the Apollo astronauts did leave the earth.
    For the Conspiracy Theory show, he says he believes the astronauts lifted into orbit, waited several days, then splashed down in the ocean "as shown on film."

    According to Bill Kaysing, the Apollo astronauts might have gone to the moon.
    "[A] trio of men supposedly made the quarter million mile journey between earth and its satellite. Now whether this journey was made or not, a great many people witness the failure of their leaders...." (We Never Went to the Moon, 2002, p. 70)

    Apollo 17 - Moon Hoax film makers are corrupt - YouTube
     
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    There's nothing left to debate as the whole Moon landing HOAX has been debunked not only by William Kaysing, Bart Sibrel and Marcus Allen, but by "NASA engineers like Kelly Smith and others such as Astro'NOT Terry Virst (like Buzz Aldrin) who openly admit that we never went beyond Low-Earth orbit...:mrgreen:




    And then you have European Space Agency which has revealed in their new work which focused on the mysteries of the DEADLY gamma and cosmic rays from constant energetic solar storms in deep space.

    Once you get away from the Earth’s protective magnetic field (Van-Allen belts) and into interplanetary space, the European Space Agency openly admits that the the DEADLY gamma and cosmic rays on the human body could be up to 700 times higher than on Earth.

    The European Space Agency has announced that two crash test dummies will occupy the seats during Orion’s first mission around the Moon in NASA’s Exploration Mission-1 pioneering [sic] lunar fly-by...:roflol:

    Of course they are using crash test dummies fitted with thousands of sensors to measure the radiation to which astronauts could be exposed during any mission to the Moon and Mars. They state that one dummy will be wearing a radiation protection vest, while another will travel unprotected from space radiation. Comparing the highly DEADLY radiation doses they will receive in order understand how to better protect human life before venturing into space above LEO.

    As usual, why doesn't the European Space Agency just ask NASA or the Apollo astro'NOTS how they traveled through those DEADLY "gamma and cosmic" rays in those glorious days from 1969 to 1972 without much thinking about the DEADLY radiation impact with just some Gold colored Reynolds Wrap (aluminum foil)....:mrgreen:
     
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    Give it up already.

    You sound almost just as desperate in wanting to believe in this Moon landing HOAX as the other NASA Apollo'gist here clutching for straws with this farcical NASA put Men on The Moon bullshit.
     
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    Troll noise. You have no integrity. You are afraid to debate honestly.
    Bullshit. You are afraid to debate. You dump your ignorant nonsense on the forum then retreat when it is shown to be horseshit.

    1. Bill Kaysing was a librarian and possibly the dumbest of all the crank hoax-nuts. He believed stars should show up in photographs and frequently contradicted his own useless unsupported claims.
    2. Bart Sibrel is a proven liar. He deceptively left out footage showing the distant Earth being zoomed out and disappearing to the side of the window. No wonder you are so afraid to respond to this!

    3. Kelly Smith was talking about the modern miniature circuitry and more direct routes. Your stunning ignorance on this is why you fail to understand it.
    4. Buzz Aldrin did not admit any such thing, a conspiracy-clown lie. He was referring to the instance of repeating the missions!

    There were NO solar storms during Apollo. Get a clue!

    And of course you are so clueless that you fail to see that is equivalent to 2 years on Earth! THAT would be the case if they had no protection, but the CSM was heavily shielded, as were their suits. So worst case, stark naked they experience 2 years for every day. 20 years exposure for 10 day mission. They get to age 70 and they are equivalent of 90 years Earth exposure! Get a clue.

    Have they offered you a seat then?

    A complete lie. They have far more stringent safety standards and need to comply. Get a clue.

    And once again the ignorance about the heat and micrometeorite shielding on the LM. you cowardly avoided responding to my images of the craft without the Kapton and Mylar. Get a clue.
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    You mean like Alan Shepard’s Apollo 14 "magical" spacesuit which can't even stop (but allows) "X-rays" through it so you can “see” the inside space clothing....:roflol:

    That's the "magical" 1971 technological wonder in pioneering spacesuit design that the European Space Agency should simply borrow from NASA and ditch the "crash test" dummies for Orion’s first mission around the Moon..:mrgreen:

    https://airandspace.si.edu/multimedia-gallery/web11568-2010hjpg
     
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    I'm waiting for you to say something remotely damning or intelligent, but you fail every single time. X-rays from hospital machines are thousands of times stronger than the soft x-rays from solar emissions! Anyone with any intelligence would be able to look this data up, but not you - says it all.

    The Sun: Soft X-Rays (montana.edu)

    How can anyone be so clueless? You run away from my post again and choose more troll garbage. 842lbs of peer reviewed lunar samples, verified by thousands of the world's finest geologists, impossible to fake. Of course you cannot answer - it's many levels above your ability to comprehend.
     
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    Come on coward, answer the raised rebuttal:
    2. Bart Sibrel is a proven liar. He deceptively left out footage showing the distant Earth being zoomed out and disappearing to the side of the window. No wonder you are so afraid to respond to this!

    3. Kelly Smith was talking about the modern miniature circuitry and more direct routes. Your stunning ignorance on this is why you fail to understand it.
    4. Buzz Aldrin did not admit any such thing, a conspiracy-clown lie. He was referring to the instance of repeating the missions!
     
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    No I dont.

    You are defeatred and you know itt
     
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    The information coming out from just from the new guard at NASA destroys the old guards official BS and their faked Moon landing narratives.

    There can’t be any doubt that we didn’t go. We never went beyond Low-Earth orbit~ FACT!

    I don't think man will ever get outside of low earth orbit short of CGI and in Sci-Fi movies. Can't get around the radiation problems. But "if" and when humans finally do reach the lunar surface, NASA will have no choice but to admit that it was a BIG FRAUD and then claim it was for political reasons (instead of the funneling of $$$ to themselves and their corporate pals) as to why they deceived everyone. That's what will happen, since there is nothing there to see at this time.....:mrgreen:

    Question is now, how do we get NASA to confess so you guys can stand down and come back down to earth and reality...:roflol:

    By the way it's beyond comical watching you Moon landing Apollo'gists and your weak attempts to diminish the GREAT voices of SANITY who have proven the NASA Moon landing was a total FRAUD like the trilogy of Moon landing debunkers "Kaysing, Sibrel, and Allen" as one can pretty much assume that their voices are telling some unwelcome truths to those believers of the "NASA" Man on The Moon landing conspiracy/farce.
     
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    "Picture of Proxima Centauri, the nearest star to the Sun, located 4.2 light years away from us. It was taken by the James Webb Space Telescope," said Klein, a physicist and director at France's Alternative Energies and Atomic Energy Commission. "This level of detail... A new world is unveiled everyday," he added.

    Whatcha think of the nearest star to the sun, Beta?
     
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    I think the world of conspiracy-clowns has no sense of humour. It was an unofficial tweet.
    French scientist Etienne Klein apologises after 'James Webb Telescope' image revealed as slice of chorizo - ABC News
    Apologising for what he described as "a scientist's joke", he said his aim had been to remind people to "be wary of arguments from people in positions of authority".

    "I come to present my apologies to those who may have been shocked by my prank, which had nothing original about it," he tweeted.
     
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    Troll noise. The modern NASA information destroys nothing, when the clueless hear things they don't understand they manipulate them to support their useless claims.

    Stop right there. What you actually think is irrelevant and useless.

    Yes they can. You know nothing.

    Troll noise. The evidence that you run away from proves they landed on the surface. They brought back 842lbs of peer reviewed lunar samples.

    Clueless imbeciles who make noise for the terminally gullible. Discuss the lunar samples or are you afraid?
     
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    Remember Gene Kranz?

    In his book 'Failure is Not an Option', Apollo flight director Gene Kranz stated .. "The simulations were so real that no controller could discern the difference between the training and the real mission."

    Gene Kranz: "In the late 1960s our simulation technology had progressed to the point where it became virtually impossible to separate the training from actual missions. The simulations became full dress rehearsals for the missions down to the smallest detail. The simulation tested out the crew’s and controller’s responses to normal and emergency conditions. It checked out the exact flight plan, mission rules, and procedures that the crew and controllers would use for a later flight."

    That statement by Kranz appeared verbatim in an interview that he gave for the 2003 History Channel documentary of the same name: KRANZ:

    But you Apollo'gists already knew that but still chose to cling to your Moon landing fantasy.

    And calling people you disagree with derogatory names is insulting. You're just bitter because all your claims to the contrary have all been debunked again.
     
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    Kind of. He was mainly talking about the powered descent to the surface. However, since the radio signals were coming from the Moon the major part of your ignorant claim falls apart. That's the thing with simulations, it is a procedural flow using calculated data. The large problem in pulling the wool over the eyes of the numerous controllers is the location of the signal from which the data is coming. In the real thing it changes dynamically!

    You don't even understand what he was saying.

    Hypocrite - you troll this forum with your childish posts and run away from debate. Every single post you blunder upon has been done to death many years before your parroting of it.

    The 842lbs of lunar samples - discuss! Are you afraid ?
     
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    "842lbs of lunar samples"

    That's been completely debunked by the EXPERTS unless you mean the ones that NASA collected here on earth.

    Since the discovery of the Adelie Land meteorite in 1912, scientists have plucked more than 45,000 meteorites from the ice in Antarctica.

    And dont forget that NASA funded the Antarctic Search for Meteorites (ANSMET) program that just recently discovered five new pieces of the Moon during an expedition to Antarctica in December 2018 and January 2019...lol "CASE CLOSED"

    And surely, on returning to Earth one would have expected the Apollo astronauts to give us some sense of the unique opportunity they had experiencing the impressive sights that were all around them.

    For example seeing Venus passing very close to the Earth during Apollo 14. These observations would have been involuntary, inevitable and furthermore, this activity wouldn’t need any instruction, direction or reminder from Houston because the discoveries would have happened incidentally and unavoidably.

    The fact that nothing about the lunar sky was ever discussed strongly suggests that none of the astronauts have ever spent any time on the lunar surface for real. And this conclusion alone is sufficient to undermine the entire Apollo Man on The Moon landing MYTH!

    It should be getting pretty obvious by now that no one has ever left low earth orbit. Even some of the most diehard shills "NASA propaganda parrots" realize the manned moon landings are technically impossible unless you have a "force field" like in Star Trek.

    And of those of four forces of the universe ~ gravity, electromagnetism, and the strong and weak nuclear force ~ none seem to allow for the existence of a force field. In every case there is always some obstacle to its creation.
     
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    You are a liar. Nowhere has any "expert" debunked anything and even you with your useless understanding know this. Detail this "debunking". The fact of the matter is that Thousands of geologists in dozens and dozens of countries have examined the rocks and not one proper expert has questioned their veracity!

    So what. Meteorites are subject to terrestrial weathering, have their major content ablated from entry into atmosphere, are fractured by heat and have no external evidence as found on Apollo samples, such as zap-pits and helium-3 deposits. Their solar isotope levels are also clearly different than Apollo rocks. In addition they have fusion crusts.

    A truly idiotic statement - you have no idea what you are talking about. Any basic geologist will be able to tell very quickly that a rock is a meteorite and the things listed by me just above show that Apollo rocks are provably not meteorites.

    Idiotic irrelevant "If I ran the zoo" fallacy.

    What a complete crock! Who told you this nonsense? Apollo missions were to study the Moon!

    Total diversionary bullshit. They went to study the Moon, the sky is virtually identical to deserts on Earth.

    Troll noise. Now, stop being a coward and debate honestly. You have zero knowledge about any of this - it is solid irrefutable proof that not one hoaxnut has ever honestly addressed. Ignorance is not impressive:

    How do we know that it is a rock from the Moon? | Some Meteorite Information | Washington University in St. Louis (wustl.edu)
    Any geoscientist (and there have been thousands from all over the world) who has studied lunar samples knows that anyone who thinks the Apollo lunar samples were created on Earth as part of government conspiracy does not know much about rocks. The Apollo samples are just too good. They tell a self-consistent story with a complexly interwoven plot that is better than any story any conspirator could have conceived. I have studied lunar rocks and soils for 50+ years and I could not “make” even a poor imitation of a lunar breccia, lunar soil, or a mare basalt in the lab. And with all due respect to my clever colleagues in government labs, no one in “the Government” could do it either, even now that we know what lunar rocks are like. Lunar samples show evidence of formation in an extremely dry environment with essentially no free oxygen and little gravity. Some have impact craters on the surface and many display evidence for a suite of unanticipated and complicated effects associated with large and small meteorite impacts. Lunar rocks and soil contain gases (hydrogen, helium, nitrogen, neon, argon, krypton, and xenon) derived from the solar wind with isotope ratios different than Earth samples of the same gases. They contain crystal damage from cosmic rays. Lunar igneous rocks have crystallization ages, determined by techniques involving radioisotopes, that are older than any known Earth rocks. (Anyone who figures out how to fake that is worthy of a Nobel Prize.) It was easier and cheaper to go to the Moon and bring back some rocks than it would have been to create all these fascinating features on Earth.
     
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    The whole Apollo Moon rock collecting farce is proven lies! FACT:

    That's why one of the pioneers (insider) of the NASA Apollo Moon $cam Wernher Von Braun was sent in 1966-67 to collect the 842 earth bound sample to later be portrayed as Apollo collected moon rocks....:roflol:

    And those so called Apollo Moon rocks can never be verified as actual lunar collected samples, because no human has ever set foot on the Moon to gather real lunar based samples to compare them too. So your claims above are debunked and busted as pure nonsense and NASA psychobabble.

    Remember that Buzz Aldrin was also busted giving FAKE Moon rocks lol

    Moon Rock Turns Out to be Fake

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    (PhysOrg.com) -- The Dutch national Rijksmuseum made an embarrassing announcement last week that one of its most loved possessions, a moon rock, is a fake -- just an old piece of petrified wood that's never been anywhere near the moon.



    https://phys.org/news/2009-09-moon-fake.html

    :roflol::roflol::roflol:


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    No. You have no idea what a fact is. You have no idea how to debate honestly or with integrity. You have no knowledge of anything you are blundering into. so consequently have no ability to understand how useless you are. It never occurs to you that over a thousand geologists who have trained for many years and spent decades studying the subject are about a thousand times more clued up about it than you are.

    A moronic lie. So putting it into total perspective. Antarctica where up to this point zero Moon rocks had been found, probably 1 in a 100 meteorites would possibly be from the Moon and the total target is 842lbs. That would require a minimum of 100 tons of meteorites to sift through to find potential rocks from the Moon. Moronic.

    Then we have the mind numbingly obvious, "let's send a geologist to identify the best candidate rocks for the Moon"? No, we'll send a damn Rocket Engineer! Moronic.

    Than as explained to the seriously clueless, meteorites react with atmospheric water and ice which in turn causes terrestrial weathering. Solar isotopes are greatly diminished! The rocks have fusion crusts and all signs of zap-pits and exterior helium-3 is burnt completely away. The rock is fractured and significantly damaged by minute heat fracturing. There is not a single geologist with more than rudimentary experience who would not be able to know almost immediately that they were looking at a meteorite. So the idea that they could use meteorites in the first place is moronic.

    The expedition was to experience a hostile unforgiving environment. Von Braun's work was largely completed.

    Moronic and clueless circular reasoning. The rocks show signs of formation in low gravity, come from a bone dry environment, have solar isotopes that are consistent with exposure for billions of years, have zero terrestrial weathering, exterior tiny micro-meteorite impacts and are impossible to fake. All factors which prove their authenticity. They cannot be meteorites and cannot be from Earth. Even the terminally clueless can work out what that means! Since I don't expect you to work it out, they had to have arrived via a space craft and not as meteorites. The only candidate craft capable of doing this were recently returned from the Moon.

    I gave you a full and detailed explanation about this, you are a lying troll by repeating it. Aldrin did not give anything to the ex-president of the Netherlands, certainly not a priceless Moon rock just brought back by them. The rock was admired well before NASA's goodwill tour. The gift was given to him by the US ambassador. To put yet another idiotic claim into perspective, the Queen of the Netherlands was given a tiny fragment encased in resin on a gold engraved presentation display and conspiracy clowns suggest an ex-president was given a big rock? Moronic. Further perspective, it was only discovered to BE petrified wood when a geologist examined it!

    The only thing fake around here is you.
     
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    Depends on what you are doing. If you spend about a week in them, you will get a lethal dose. If you travel around the weakest areas in around about an hour in a shielded craft you won't even notice.

    I suggest you read the page properly - it occurred between Apollo 16 and 17. Not during either:
    Such doses from a solar flare are possible. To wit: the legendary solar storm of August 1972.

    It's legendary (at NASA) because it happened during the Apollo program when astronauts were going back and forth to the Moon regularly. At the time, the crew of Apollo 16 had just returned to Earth in April while the crew of Apollo 17 was preparing for a moon-landing in December. Luckily, everyone was safely on Earth when the sun went haywire.

    "A large sunspot appeared on August 2, 1972, and for the next 10 days it erupted again and again," recalls Hathaway. The spate of explosions caused, "a proton storm much worse than the one we've just experienced," adds Cucinotta. Researchers have been studying it ever since.Cucinotta estimates that a moonwalker caught in the August 1972 storm might have absorbed 400 rem. Deadly? "Not necessarily," he says. A quick trip back to Earth for medical care could have saved the hypothetical astronaut's life.
     
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    its mainly the van allen belts that concerns me, the LEM is an aluminum can with no shielding, and although i have heard and read about a lot of "evidence"
    photos and such that i can dismiss,,,it always goes back to the belts...do you know of a good web site that actually explains going through?
     
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    Busted in another lie!

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    Fake Dutch 'moon rock' revealed

    A treasured piece at the Dutch national museum - a supposed moon rock from the first manned lunar landing - is nothing more than petrified wood, curators say.

    It was given to former Prime Minister Willem Drees during a goodwill tour by the three Apollo-11 astronauts shortly after their moon mission in 1969.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8226075.stm

    It couldn't be any clearer as the BBC states that Buzz Aldrin, Michael Collins and Neil Armstrong gave the former Dutch prime minister William Drees a chunk of moon-rock in 1969 while all three were there on a "good-will" tour promoting the Moon landing FARCE, not some no-name U.S. Ambassador.

    The three CIA idiots gave the Dutch prime minister William Drees a worthless petrified stone they got from Wernher Von Braun when he was sent to Antarctica in 1966-67 to collect all those Earth bound samples to later be portrayed as Apollo Moon landing collected rocks.

    Some people are just too naive and dumb to live ....:roflol:
     
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    You are posting lies.

    The articel you cited gives no names of the astronauts.

    Nor were any astronauts CIA,.

    Your entire effort is a failure
     
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    They weren't in the LM on the way out or the way back, they were in the CSM (Command and Service module). Even Apollo 13 they were in the CSM on their return.
    This video explains the route:


    They are the weaker outer areas. In addition, the tilt of the geomagnetic pole was11.5 degrees away from their elevation of 30 degrees, so they would not have even noticed any effect at all.
     

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