American Public Schools. Should they continue to be funded?

Well what the hell... you're wrong about everything else; you may as well be wrong about this too.

 

Greataxe, I agree with your post in part and overall. Life is about effort and energy but there is something more to those who collect Welfare or on the Public Dole that most people are unaware of and that is Hasidic Jews in New York, both in small predominately Jewish town, such as Monsey, NY and in large city such a Manhattan, the Borough of Brooklyn, and the Borough of Staten Island receive welfare and other governmental so-called entitlement programs. This is fact and can be easily verified. I am not mentioning this to excise the poor behaviors of others, I am just letting you and others know that welfare recipients are not who people usually think. This entire government dependency thing is completely out of control, and most people who are for governmental funding, really do not know what they are fully supporting. As I have stated some time before, the aim of those in government, no matter where, is to legitimize their existence through hook AND crook.

 

You said they paid. BECAUSE you were attending public schools. That was a fallacy. They paid regardless of you attending what they paid had nothing to with you.

You said that since you had no children you should not pay taxes to fund the local education system. That is a fallacy, whether or not you have children has nothing to do with it.

You said since you had no direct personal benefit you should not have to pay for a public education system. But even though you have done everything to avoid answer when asked you DID hace a direct personal benefit, your education.

You also have a direct benefit in that you live in a place with an educated populace so that when you need the police they do not have to come from a place that does eeducated the populace. When you need a bank yiu don't have to go to the next county that does educate the populace. When you need to fo to the store you don't have to drive miles to aomewhere that does educate their populace and you are able to have a local government because there is an educated populace.

Strawman Inever said you did.

The United States is not the funder of public education that is you city/county/state. Feel free to lobby them for some jther form of taxation such as additional sales tax or ad velorum taxes.

And again are yiu claiming you recieves no peraonal direft benefit from the publicly funded education you recieved.

I have already addresswd the false premises of your argumengs.

Its not tthe parents getting the educational benefit, it is the child. And BTW parents of children attending those schools DO PAY ADDITIONAL MONEY. There are lots of fees parents pay per child.

You want all the benefits of an educated populace you just don't want to help fund it.

 

No one is taxed to death. And the US is one of the most prosperous countries in the history of the world. What do all prosperous countries have in common - strong tax payer funded public education.

 

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OK, baby-steps... Back to basics. Please, name one tangible, palpable, personal benefit to my bank account that being heavily-taxed for a public school system provides.... It's the SAME bank account that I used to PAY the outrageously high school tax in the first place.

Can you put a dollar-figure on how I was personally benefited by personally paying school-tax on my personal property, even though I have never had kids? Of course you can't... it's all just liberal. socialistic "everybody knows" hogwash!

. "Oooh! But it takes a VILLAGE...!" . -- "Who put these morons in charge...?"

 

There should be no "sacred cows" getting an unfair advantage. I'm soooo sure these Hasidic folks are so poor. They should have their own private religious school funded by their own fruits of their labor.

That's why I'd have every school be funded by their own communities.

 

I'm under no such fallacious obligation as that is not the measure of your benefit. I have explained over and over the benefit you received, YOUR education. What you did with it was up to you from that point. Now I am sure that directly benefits your bank account but have no way to prove anything about your bank account. How did you even get that bank account without the benefit of your education?

But do tell me do you think that because you have an educated populace in your community and you do not have to drive to the next county to purchase groceries is an economic benefit to you?
That you do not have to do so to seek medical care?
That you do not have to do so to fill up your car with gas?
That you are not living in some ghetto of uneducated people if even they would live there?
That you have an educated police force and an educated fire department?
That you have a government at all with people willing to live there and run it?

It has nothing to do with YOUR specific kids or lack there of just as YOUR EDUCATION was not paid for specifically by your parents. I don't know why this keep escaping you.

 

Why not?

Would social justice warriors blacklist them for politically incorrect opinions?

 

As Pollycy has stated and remains vigilant to his correct assertion, there are direct benefits for Fire and Sheriff, though most within these United States are volunteer with the Fire Departments, and with the Sheriffs departments, there is a direct benefit as well, but there are no direct benefits in paying property taxes for schools when you have no children attending said school(s).

 

Nope...they would simply fail at life because they do not understand science or reality.

 

so letting the state fund religious schools where kids can be retarded and indoctrinated in asshattery is ok with you? we have to compete with the rest of the world in math and science

 

What about science and reality wouldn't they understand that would cause them to fail in life? Would they be unable to drive a truck, fix a car, be a clerk at the DMV, become a CPA, a lawyer, a President?

Would they be unable to fall in love, get married, raise a family?

Let me be frank. I understand very little of science but judging from the discussions on this forum, at least, I am a scientific genius. How much science do you understand? How important is this understanding in your life?

Let's face it. Seventy to eighty percent of humans are just not smart enough to be scientists or even gain a small understanding. Knowledge of science just isn't important at all to make a living or to be happy.

 

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Someone (forgotten who) once said we need science so we don't believe witch doctors. Seems sensible to me.

 

You too

 

There is no lack of quacks who use pose as scientific.

 

The "direct benefit" came when you got your education form which you benefit to this day, which was paid for by the citizens at the time who like you now directly benefited having an educated populace in your community just as you benefit having police and fire protection.

 

Where shall I begin? The direct benefit of public education came and went when I finished attending public schools, that is where that ended. All other education, I obtained on my own, and realistically, much of what I learned in publicly funded education is useless to me as an adult, as it is with many other people who have attended public schools.
As for the educated populace, are you sure you want to stand by that statement? If so, so be it. As a whole, the population in this country is so dumbed-down it is not funny atall. So your pride in publicly funded education is a serious waste of money, "tax-dollars" at that, so where does your greater good come into play, when it comes to wasted tax-dollars? It seems to me, that you select what you deem as a waste of money for your "greater good". All government waste is unnecessary and needs to be stopped, but as it has been stated, once the "wheels" start rolling on a government PROGRAM, it is extremely difficult to stop it. The reason being, there is millions to be made by several entities, including teachers' unions and other government workers. This is government at work, wasting money and dumbing down the populace in one "golden" sweep.

Another musical interlude . . .

 

And you were able to move on to that higher education due to the benefit of your basic education. And if you want to assert that the ability to read and write and do basic math and have an understanding of history and government never benditted you go ahead and make that case.

Sure can you show me a successful modern society that never had an educated populace? That the government schools have been doing a lousy job of late is of no bearing on this discussion. I am all for each student getting a voucher , the student gets the voucher not the parent as it is the student who is getting the benefit, and uaing it at the best school they can find.