Americas Settled by Two Groups of Early Humans, Study Says

i know it's not a hawk but things get lost in translation and people do make mistakes in identifying something they never seen before...early explorers came back with all sorts of fantastic descriptions of creatures they encountered...people who heard the stories had no idea what an elephant or hippo looked like...

 

yeah, well, the hippos did live in northern europe and frequently venture further. the arctic owl is famous forb eing seen far to the south of its normal range.

The white hawk evidence for contact with n america is a lot cause.

 

maybe but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt....

 

but never give me the benefit of any doubt?

 

The entire planet was "pretty vast" 7,500 years ago.

Most estimates of that era place the entire human population of the planet at around 5 million people. That is like taking the population of the entire San Francisco metro area and scattering them all around the planet.

Of course, it was also an era where 95% of humans were nomadic or semi-nomadic, and the only settlements found are more like long term campsites then even villages. Occupied for a year or so with tents and crude wood structures, then abandoned.

"Settlement" was still 1-2,000 years away.

Actually, the most likely means of transit from Europe to the Americas in prehistoric days is exactly the same as it was for the Asians.

Most people fail to realize that the humans who crossed Beringia to reach North America were not crossing to "explore new lands", they were simply following the game. The heard of wild herbivores that a tribe lives off of wanders East, the people follow them (like Laplanders and their reindeer). And much evidence points to the same thing from the East, with hunters following seals and other animals West along the ice flows in the North Atlantic.

And while it is possible for somebody to sail from Africa to the Americas, what people are going to take such a gigantic "leap of faith", sailing into the unknown with their families? Remember, England knew of North America for almost a century, it was not until 1587 that they finally took women to the new continent.

So any colonization from that direction would have taken several crossings until the theoretical "boat people" were comfortable enough to bring their women and children on such a voyage.

 

Never!!! you're too smart ...you're a challenge...if I can't be challenged there is no point in being here...

And the bird story amounted to nothing, maybe true, maybe not I've never heard of a white hawk but I couldn't be bothered to check it out, I figured at best it's mistaken identity more likely myth...

 

En garde. We shall cross foils again.

 

This is off the top of my head so I will have to check but I believe they did some Genetic Testing and found that many people in South America did not have the same specific Genetics as those North American Indian civilizations.

AboveAlpha

 

it reveals separate waves of expansion into the americas...at least 3 waves maybe more...the people in south america possibly representing the earliest wave...the last waves being the na-dene and inuit...

 

There is a very interesting to look at map that details the expansion of the Human Race over the eons all over the world and this one was done using Genetic Information.

I saw it in one of my older issues of Discover Magazine which I greatly enjoy along with Scientific American....so I will see if I can find it.

Humanity in it's most ancient forms is far older than those Ultra-Religious believe it to be somewhere actually near 5 Million years old.

And just to detail how difficult it is to attempt to even explain this to some who are so indoctrinated into their Religious Dogma....I am having one HELL of a time explaining how Humans are classified as APES...and in particular Great Apes or Hominidae along with Chimps, Gorillas, Orangutans and Bonobos.

I have had to go so far as list so many links to prove this using sources from all the various prestigious Colleges, Universities, Institutes and even the Vatican Science Office agrees that Humans are Apes....as well every Pope since John Paul II has told the faithful that Evolution is indeed a FACT and they smartly state that Evolution does NOT conflict with a persons Faith or Belief in GOD as Evolution is the method such a GOD used to create all life on Earth including Humans.

But...this member no matter what I detail and prove....is like one of those Monkeys that will see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil! LOL!

AboveAlpha

 

the roman catholic church has long been pragmatic in regards to science, contrary to popular belief....evangelical types are another matter you're really wasting your time in scientific discussions with them, people that believe in magic are not critical thinkers...

 

You are right.

I remember when Pope John Paul II came out and made a public statement telling the Faithful that Evolution was a fact and he also talked about the possibility that there might be not only Life but Intelligent Life elswhere in the Universe.

The next day the Italian Press went NUT'S!

The headlines said....POPE SAY'S WE COME FROM MONKEY'S!!!

I am not Religious but I have a great deal of respect for that Pope John Paul II.

AboveAlpha

 

all religions lose members to better science education by sticking with their hocus pocus mentality....the catholic church by accepting science avoids the intellectual conflict for it's followers, so that they can accept god and science....by accepting the possibilty of life elsewhere in the universe it's being preemtive for when it does happen, other religions followers will be left questioning the validity of their chosen beliefs when that day comes...

 

I agree....it was a VERY smart and looking long term move.

Because of what I sometimes do...going on over 3 decades now....I have been made aware of certain.....realities....that although greatly talked about in various media specials and postulated about to a great deal by the scientific community....such realities are WELL KNOWN to be realities by a surprisingly LARGE number of people specific to NASA, U.S. Intel. Groups and all branches of the U.S. Military.

What I find EXCEEDINGLY FUNNY about this is it really is not only the BIGGEST STORY IN HUMAN HISTORY....but as well....THE WORSE KEPT SECRET IN HUMAN HISTORY!!! LOL!!!!

After I started a topic a while back and made the mistake of getting WAY too in depth about it....I ended up getting a few calls I would have rather not have gotten.

And the really...well....either funny or sad thing about it is I never said anything that had not already been made available via the Freedom of Information Act.

I am sure you understand what I mean.

AboveAlpha

 

.......................area 51...........................

 

That is just a number along with area 52 and area 50, 49..etc.

As this area of the American Desert was broken down into large areas to designate specific parts.

A pilot who worked with Lockheed was asked to fly around and find a nice dry lake bed for testing U.S. Aircraft. in developmental stage.

What you REALLY want to say is the GROOM LAKE FACILITY...and nearby S-4.

I am going to shut up now.

AboveAlpha

 

Well, no less than the Viking Answer Lady mentions it.

http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/vik_pets.shtml#Hawks

but she says it was from Greenland, not exclusively Baffin Island. I seem to recall that from a book that I may still have, if I ever find it, I'll post it.

It's important to me as it's to be the basis of a novel I'm starting. The Hundred Hawks of Hassan Hastur.

And please don't lets get the idea that I'm a Viking Discoverer. The Vikings were here first, yes, but they didn't stay and, most importantly, didn't chart. Columbus discovered the Canaries Out, Gulf Stream back, route that really made Atlantic commerce a reality and thus deserves almost all the credit for giving us a New World.

 

Well that was easy to confirm...a one second google search and there it was, white falcons in greenland...

That debate point goes to Aleksander...

 

Um, establishing what, that the snowy owl is circumpolar in distribution?

 

the gyrfalcon... although it too is circumpolar it comes in various colours but the Greenland variant is the whitest...

 

I think I lost track of what the significance is

 

That can only mean one thing

 

Hmm, well, that certainly is not an example of binary thinking.

 

To return to the original thread. Is it possible that, during the Ice Ages some people actually adapted to live wholly ON the great glaciers? I realize glaciers are incredibly hostile environments but humans have lived, and thrived in some very bad places for some very long times, (many still do). It's hard for me to believe that none of the Ice sheets covering nearly half of the Northern hemisphere were even a little occupied. It's also easy to see how most traces of any settlers would be either destroyed, buried, inundated or carried far away, either while the glacier was still there or as it melted.

 

Cant plant potatoes on a glacier, cant catch enough ice worms. What are people going to do there?