Americas Settled by Two Groups of Early Humans, Study Says

the Inuit still live in ice age conditions, but they don't venture onto glaciers, there no plant or animal life on glaciers. what are they going to eat, what do they use for fuel?...glaciers are extremely dangerous not a place take a family...

 

I think what we have learned in the last 20 years of so, from archeology, linguistics and especially DNA is that there is a lot more to the dynamics of human expansion than what we thought 20 years ago. That ancient humans were very adept at using the technology that they did have in very intelligent ways.

I suspect that what we may end up finding were some relatively isolated contacts between Asia and Europe with the Americas- isolated trading, ships blown off course-with some small amounts of dna exchanges, maybe even word contributions, but no actual colonization or significant exchanges of technology.

I say that because those seem likely, but there is little to no evidence that they happened, which would make the events either rare or very temporary.

 

Recently, I studied up on the Altaic language group stretching along the polar latitude, Finn, Northern Siberian languages, Koren and Japanese with some extensions southward as Mongolian and Turkic languages and the Hungarians too. And I mused, (Oh no not Moi's musings) when the globe was drying up and peoples developed along those great rivers such as the Indus and Nile - because that's where the water was -
there was also peoples more peripheral to the ice - proto Altaics. Their civilization was not left in stone, but the civilization of herders. Their culture was one more of wood and leather, lasting personal ornaments and tools yet to be identified.
Since there has always been an ice cap in human history, their means of living is probably one of the oldest cultures one can observe today. Except for their snow mobiles.
And apparently a culture, like Clovis, not a genome - when one considers the diversity of peoples associated with the Altaics.
And what better people to domesticate the horse than traditional reindeer herders.

Yes, of course people can live ice bound. And probably have since the most ancient times.
Vitamin C would be the most outstanding problem but, Inuits manage.

What do you suppose those northern, north peoples were doing circa 7,000 BC, and 5,000 BC, etc.
Same ole, same ole as 1,000 AD, give or take metals.


Moi
Reverse Engineering Anthropology shows a way.
Just because it could be doesn't mean it isn't.

Consider the stuff we conveniently ignore like Aryan mummies in China.

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One aspect of this is, a settled group would be most likely to exterminate any newcomers that did not arrive in over whelming force.

 

that seems to be the general rule, inhabitants don't appreciate newcomers moving into their grocery store...

 

I'll never say it's impossible, any dna exchange would amount to little or nothing the host dna would swamp the visitor and their dna would disappear as if it were never there...

I recall reading about a dna study done in portugal that assumed there should be traces of sub-saharan dna among the native Portuguese left over from the slave trade...that particular study found none...two conclusions from that 1, the study tested too few people or 2, the sub-saharan slave dna was swamped by local population...

 

musings are good moi, it's where all new ideas come from....

I did not know about the suggested link of japanese and korean to turkic languages, it's always a good day when I learn something new...

Finish and hungarian are not related to altaic languages...

I dont know you think mummies in western china are ignored, forgotten or hidden...that region was populated by turkic people long before it became part of china...

 

http://ancienthistory.about.com/b/2003/12/20/finnish-hungarian-and-turkish.htm
"Turkish, Finnish and Hungarian have a common point that all three languages are somehow connected to Ural-Altaic family and they are . . . . ." &

So what do you muse the Altaics were doing while the Egyptians were organizing in the Nile Valley?
Because the globe was drying up and there was little between the great river valleys and the polar cap realm.
That would be after the Hyborian Age, between the years when the oceans drank Atlantis and the gleaming cities, and the years of the rise of the Sons of Aryas, there was an Age undreamed of, when shining kingdoms lay spread across the world like blue mantles beneath the stars - Nemedia, Ophir, Brythunia, Hyperborea, Zamora with its dark-haired women and towers of spider-haunted mystery, Zingara with its chivalry, Koth that bordered on the pastoral lands of Shem, Stygia with its shadow-guarded tombs, Hyrkania whose riders wore steel and silk and gold. But the proudest kingdom of the world was Aquilonia, reigning supreme in the dreaming west.
You know, before the last massive Earth Crust displacement event changed the relationship of Africa to Europe among other happenings.

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so I read yesterday that the oldest verified Clovis burial (oldest burial of any type in the Americas as far as I'm aware)has yielded some definitive DNA results that should end some speculative thinking on populating of the americas...the DNA results appear to point to an initial single migration that is responsible forpopulkating most of the Americas...the DNA indicates most aboriginals are either direct family or cousins of Clovis...and they came from Asia, not Europe... there were several smaller later migrations, Dorset, Na-Dene and Inuit...

 

The Eskimos do, too!

 

ya those people as well...

 

However, people have to consider that this is also the first time a Clovis DNA has been completely mapped.

And Clovis is also not the first group of humans to arrive in the Americas, simply the oldest dominant culture. Clovis is 15-18kya, but other sites have been found that predate this, by as many as 27,000 years.

And we are talking settlement across 2 continents. And this mapping is from an individual in Montana. So I would say this is far from definitively settled.

 

wild speculation of early dates and earlier migrations are wishful thinking, oldest accepted date is still 13,000 in the archeological world is at Monte Verde Chile...and that earler monte verde date doesn't negate a genetic link to the clovis culture, the clovis culture disappeared not the people....aboriginals of south and central america have closer genetic link to the clovis remains found in montana than aboriginals in canada...

 

http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/sci.archaeology/2009-09/msg00169.html

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/11/17/carolina.dig/index.html?_s=PM:TECH

http://www.heinzhistorycenter.org/secondary.aspx?id=150

 

None of which has any support in the archeological world...there are too many natural plausible explanations, lighting strikes will look the same as hearths, floods and animal can upset stratigraphy , stones flakes mistaken for tools..monte verde is the earliest confirmed site the rest are wild speculation...