An agnostic athiest. Why am I wrong?

As an agnostic atheist, this has come to be the only conclusion I find logic in. I don’t believe in supernatural gods, but I will not claim knowledge about the metaphysical underlying of the universe.

In principal I disagree with those who claim to understand the inner workings of the universe.

I know there is no proof to identify any deity, but what is wrong about being agnostic and not commiting to Atheism proper, or believing one of the various God(s) narratives?

 

@YourBrainIsGod

Have you ever had a clairvoyant experience?
Knowing something you could not possibly know.

No detail needed, just Yes / No
Thank You. Reply to your upload varies with answer. Please be truthful.


Moi

Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us. ​

 

Yes.

Some might call this an epiphany. A mangled state of consciousness which finds indescribable truths.

However, this all means nothing if such a thing is never tangible. Reason must bring you to understand it, otherwise you’ve never truely grasped what was brought before you.

 

Thank you.
So have I.
And a neighbor said to me,
YOU can't be clairvoyant and an atheist.

Some "x" confers the information and it isn't physical or logical nor does it stand up to science. We know. Doubters don't.
Not saying it's the Bible guys.
But, something beyond physical, energy, atoms, and our realm.

Do we agree on that?
How about ?

Jung


Moi


I get "feelings" that I know are not mine. From outside.
As I ponder them, a Geiger counter in me gets louder as a thought connects with the feeling. Sometimes the thought. Rarely words out of my mouth that didn't go through my brain first. One time spectacular dreams over four nights and I don't dream that I remember. I had details of a horrific death in a friend's family that I had no way of knowing and discovered true about 4 weeks later. At that time, no horror of disbelief. I knew it already.
Mostly medical/health. Like the words out my mouth talking to a friend.
I made diagnosis before you could scan everything like today. etc.

 

Of course there's nothing wrong with that. You've assessed the available information and reach a logical conclusion that you can't definitively say and there's no reason you have to reach a definitive answer.

You will face push-back from all directions because people who are certain about the answer (whatever their answer is), especially on such a difficult and emotive question, will feel more threatened by someone saying they don't know that they will be someone directly opposing them. That obviously doesn't make your position any less valid.

 

I don’t trust everything my neighbors tell me, that includes Candians, though I don’t worry about their imperialism.
I’ve had many dreams of death, some true, others not. Doesn’t mean I’m in touch with an omnipresent force.

 

You need to think carefully about that phrase. It demonstrates how you're asking the wrong question.

 

I’m reaching out for the push back. And to be honest, I don’t expect to be suddenly converted.

I’m simply curious of what some would say in disagreement. Some seem very set in their way, I wonder what made their belief more than a curiosity.

 

How would you ask the unfathonable?

 

The dreams I had was the
WHAM BANG POW experience.
No more everything is a coincidence.
I had the heebie jeebies for months after.
Should you have one of those experiences, you will believe.

My friend who was an alter boy and heavy into mysticism like Jung,
and his student Hoeller, was surprised I was having those experiences.
They are, according to Jung, a phenomena associated with Individualization
in the 30's, plus or minus.
I am not much in to the literature of the phenomena although Hoeller must
have had a feeling about my reading and recommended.
https://www.amazon.com/Tao-Psycholo...3&sr=8-1&keywords=bolen+the+tao+of+psychology
which I found helpful and study relieved the heebie jeebies.
The Bolen book is pamphlet sized and talks of significance of common occurrences usually over looked and that I'm Normal.

POINT: As much as I would like to be an atheist, I can't because I know by experience, not faith.

 

Theres no fault in not believing in a god. The fault is with those who judge others for believing differently, be they theists who accuse nonbelievers of immorality or athiests who accuse believers of stupidity. They are both wrong. You believe what you believe.

 

You can’t, that’s my point. If you think you came to know something that is impossible for you to know, you must be wrong in some aspect. Either you never actually knew the fact (guessing, assuming or even logically concluding isn’t the same as knowing) or is wasn’t actually impossible to know. The correct questions would be “Did you really come to know the fact?” and, if so “How did you come to know it?”. Note that the latter is a completely open question – it isn’t “Was it caused by X?”, anything is possible, including all the boring mundane possibilities.

 

do you believe in magical unicorns, I think of religion the same way.... unless you have proof to believe something, no reason to believe it

thus no reason to believe in the Jewish, Christian and Muslim God

Mormons believe they become God's, do you believe Romney may be a God some day? are you saying you believe he could?

 

My thoughts also.

 

Perhaps you need to study "faith" as a facet of human nature in order to better understand those of faith who "know" you are totally and completely wrong and lost. Its not something that arises out of intellect, it arises out of emotion and human psychology. Religious faith provides emotional and intellectual acceptance of our individual mortality. Typically one requires one helluva traumatic explosion to dislodge such entrenchment.

 

Everybody has had one of those. Of course they always forget the other 99.9 % that never came to pass.

 

Narratives are one thing, God is quite another.

 

Since atheism is simply a lack of belief in deities and does not involve some impossible claim to knowledge, I'd say you can drop the "agnostic" prefix. Otherwise you make atheism sound closed-minded.

 

Why are you asking us?

Like we have the answer.

Why not try asking God, just give yourself one minute of belief or possibility and sincerely ask.

If He is real and has the power we claim, He will come to you.

That is His promise.

I bet you've never even tried that have you?

 

Oh god!

 

Because he wasn’t asking about belief in God, he was asking about attitudes of other people towards him. I think your response in a good (bad) example.

Did you do that in relation to the thousands of other deities that have been proposed to exist? And if someone told you they had tried that but to no avail, wouldn’t you just assume they didn’t try hard enough?

 

As long as the believers recognize that their belief is based on faith and not fact I can agree with your position.

That said notball beliefs are equally intelligent. There are still peopke who don't believe in evolution and that is just plain ignorant. Or believing the earth is flat.

 

From what I have read of the paranormal I would say that an Atheist who identifies as Agnostic has a better grasp of the big picture because it is impossible to rule out possibility of intelligence and/ or Intelligence originating in what could be termed....... Energy from Quantum Vacuum...... which I often refer to as Fundamental or nearly fundamental energy......

www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/

 

Agnostic means that I don’t claim to know the answer. I’ve known many atheists who have an absolutism about their view.

Some believe others are stupid for believing a religion, or don’t believe there is any value to religious texts or ideas. I think this is very closed-minded.

 

How do you feel about other life existing in the universe?