An interesting poll of CNN, MSNBC, Fox and Newsmax viewers

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  1. DEFinning

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    And not differentiating the Trump case, from the Biden and Pence ones, is just laziness, or being insensible to any but the most glaring of distinctions.
     
  2. kriman

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    The point of the OP was that CNN and MSNBC listeners were less aware and judging from the responses so far, it appears to be true.
     
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    And why should the Left be aware of the Right's propaganda fetishes? We know they exist, and we know they have no proof.
     
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    Of course. Refuse to accept even the possibility.

    There has been proof and evidence. Refusal to even accept the possibility by refusing to listen is what the issue is all about.
     
  5. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Biden is a habitual liar. Some have been obvious and easy to detect such as his lies about his academic record. His character is questionable and it is not a large step to believe some of the other misdeeds which are not as easy to prove or disprove.
     
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    So you are saying we've had nothing but liars in the WH for six years now?
     
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    I don't have a problem with that. I have repeatedly said that it is sad that the best we can do is Trump and Biden.
     
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    I do not believe that MSM viewers are unaware that there is a border crisis. I have seen, from the threads, here, that the Right wing sources have generally mischaracterized that crisis, as the Biden Administration just allowing people to cross, unchallenged, or even as its settling migrants across the country. This is a blatant lie, of which there is no need for anyone to be aware, unless they are unsure if those sites have discredited themselves.

    In truth, Biden's Admin. has both apprehended, and deported, record numbers of illegal border crossers (instead of just turning them around, as under Trump). Biden's Admin has even gone to the lengths of flying these crossers hundreds of miles away, to parts of the border with which they are unfamiliar, and where they have no support systems, when they send them back; that is, when they don't, in the cases of South and Central American immigrants, fly them well over a thousand miles, to release them down in isolated parts of southern Mexico. Still, are government is overwhelmed. The reason, though, is not any conspiracy theory about trying to get new, Democratic voters, but rather, a shortage of resources, to deal with the problem. Secretary Mayorkas has requested more money, to handle the migrant surge, from Congress. I have heard no more of that, and assume the Republicans in the House, have denied him the funds. Have you heard about that, on FOX & NEWSMAX? If not, it is because you are not getting the news, there, but are only being fed a fantasy narrative.
     
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    When the accusations are coming from those both in Congress & in the media who have, themselves, refused to accept the far more compelling evidence from the J6 Committee, not to mention, who have supported the idea of the 2020 election having been stolen-- with no evidence, whatsoever!-- that is where there manifests, a problem of credibility.
     
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    Joe Biden and your secretary of homeland security was in denial that we have a border crisis and still appear be in denial. The VP who was assigned the job of border security only visited the border once and that was in an area which is relatively secure. She chose instead to "investigate the root cause" which has no immediate prospects of solving anything. The left's lack concern starts at the top. In the meantime we have terrorists and drugs steaming across our border. Seems like something like an old fashioned wall would have slowed the avalanche.
     
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    Typical response from the left. Deny the problem. Bring up Trump.
     
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    The border isn't under attack. crossings are down more than 70%.
     
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    That has nothing to do with my statement. The question is whether the left is aware of the attacks on Joe Biden's integrity?
     
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    I suspect most folks are giving them all the consideration they deserve.

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    That confirms the OP.
     
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    Please tell us you made a typo here.... right? upload_2023-7-2_18-40-52.gif
     
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    Facts. Look it up.
     
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    It is not anything close to "fact"
     
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    According to Brent Bozell’s group viewers outside of the rightwing echo chamber are less aware of the content within it. As a rule I believe that to be correct.

    Groomers gotta groom. Unfortunately Brent’s reach isn’t what he expected.
     
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    Holy Crap, Trump really sucked and Obambam handed him a slow but steady growing economy from which he ballooned the deficit by a FULL third in four years with the Trump tax cuts which also did not pay for themselves and neither did Mexico.
     
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    No-- it is manufactured B.S., as this story from another thread, clearly demonstrates:

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    Lowell writes that the screenshots of the message as tweeted by Smith, “both include a photo of Mr. Biden not from 2017 but from the White House Easter Egg roll in April 2022 (long after the purported message was sent);

    both images portray the message in a blue bubble, when WhatsApp messages are in green;

    one image super-imposed the Chinese flag for the contact ID, when surely that was not how a text or contact was kept;

    and one purports to be a screenshot with the '. . .' of someone composing a text (as in Apple’s iMessage) when that does not happen on WhatsApp.”

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/hunter...sapp-message-cited-republicans-fake-rcna92065


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-message-cited-by-republicans-is-fake.611694/


    Thanks, Omni.

    So, Kriman, how can one trust sources, who would fake evidence, in this way? Or sources, who would accept such evidence unquestioningly, and present it as factual? They are failing in their obligation to adequately investigate, before reporting their stories, or at least to tailor their depictions of any allegations, to match the degree to which the reporting site has vetted them.

    This makes all the more meaningful, your own assertion:

     
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    The reason they are less aware is because CNN and MSNBC do not cover it. If that is all you watch, that is all you will be aware of.
     
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    If that is your view, then it is not likely to be changed by whatever you hear.
     
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    I know nothing about those events, but you should realize that there are a lot more people coming forward. To pick out a limited number of events then conclude everything is BS is self deception.
     
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    The barely disguised attack on Biden is propaganda for low-information voters.

    There are real reasons to be concerned about illegal immigration your "news" sources never discuss. Have they ever talked about a national ID to replace the SS card that can also be set up for anyone with a work visa? Employers would be able to check on the right to work here of any prospective employee with a smartphone.

    Half of illegals here overstayed a visa. They came through the front door.

    Inflation is a worldwide problem and it's absurd to blame Biden. We have a reduced supply of oil and gas because of sanctions on Russia.

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    There's plenty of things not to like about Biden's policies and actions, but you aren't getting at solutions from your "news" sources.

    How much have you heard about AI and the likely future impact on employment? You don't have to be very old to remember the unemployment in 2009-10. It's going to be a lot worse than that.

    While you're at it, have you heard much about how pissed off women are about abortion? Lots of men, too. We have wives, moms, sisters, and daughters.

    Who's running your operation? Protectionism won't make you richer, but being taught how to operate complex technologies can. Who is going to fix education? Not the people making a bunch of nonsense claims that white kids are being told at school they should be ashamed on being white. That's the damn stupidest thing I ever heard. Any teacher who said something like that could find themselves out of a job. Meanwhile, teacher pay is so low most schools can't attract qualified STEM instructors.

    So, how come schools in rich communities are better than your schools? They're so good in many wealthy communities that most parents opt for the public schools. Like where I grew up. (https://www.pvpusd.net/)

    You need to get some real news.
     
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