And so the sickness goes on..

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  1. Jack Napier

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    Thank god this vile practice is banned in Europe.

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    Two more babies stricken with herpes after ritual ultra-orthodox Jewish oral blood sucking circumcision in New York City.

    Since 2000 13 known cases of herpes have been contracted from the religious practice.

    Two deaths and two babies suffering brain damage have resulted.

    Department of health warns there being no safe way to perform the ritual that dates back more than 5,000 years.


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    Two more infants have been infected with a deadly herpes virus in the last three months after undergoing a controversial religious oral circumcision in New York City.


    The latest cases bring the count to 13 infants since 2000, two of which suffered brain damage and two died from the virus which can rapidly spread throughout its body.


    The ultra-Orthodox Jewish practice of metzitzah b'peh requires a practitioner to orally suck the baby's penis to 'cleanse' the open wound following its circumcision, making them susceptible to the virus.


    The department of health says one of the latest infants to contract the virus developed a fever and a lesion on its scrotum, seven days after the procedure. The boy later tested positive for HSV-1. That virus differs from HSV-2, the genital herpes, which is contracted during sexual intercourse.

    'A herpes infection in a newborn baby has the risk of leading to severe illness and death,' Jay Varma, deputy commissioner for disease control at the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene told ABC News.


    'The reason is that the baby doesn't have the same fully developed immune system as an adult. Instead of staying in the genital area, it extends throughout different organs in the body,' he explained.


    He said it's too soon to tell whether the boys will suffer permanent effects.

    The identify of the rabbi who performed the circumcision is being withheld by the boys' parents, preventing the health department to step in, they said.

    The religious practice that dates back to more than 5,000 years defies warning by the city's department of health which says there is no safe way to perform the oral suction on an open wound.

    More modern Jewish practices use a sterile aspiration device to clean the wound or a pipette opposed to the oral sucking.

    But some rabbis stand grounded behind the practice, calling it a religious freedom while noting its long history.


    In September the department voted to require parents to sign forms consenting to the risks of the practice after the death of two children who contracted the virus through the practice.


    The parents of those newly infected boys are said to have not signed those forms.


    According to Rabbi David Zwiebel, executive vice president of the Orthodox Jewish organization Agudath Israel of America, two-thirds of boys born in New York City's Hasidic communities are circumcised in the oral suction matter.


    The health department claims they've had complaints in past by parents who say they weren't made aware that the oral practice would be performed on their child.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...blood-sucking-circumcision-New-York-City.html

    Let's hear the excuses then...
     
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    Yeah,, pretty sick isn't it?
     
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    It should be banned everywhere.

    Another instance of religious dogma being harmful to the believers.
     
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    I wonder what hollywood would say if it was catholic priests sucking little boys penises.

    I guess some religions are more valuable than others.
     
  5. Jack Napier

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    It's child abuse.

    End of story.

    Any parents engaging in this should have their children removed for their own mental well being.

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    They would make a film about it, to ensure that everyone knows they hate RC's.
     
  6. Jack Napier

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    This method is banned in Europe.

    What is the status in Canada?
     
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    never heard of such a thing, that is just gross
     
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    The circumcision should be preformed in Hospital, at the very least by a proffessional Rabbi and without that sucking bit...,

    Orthodox live in the middle ages on many aspects if you ask me, they follow the Bibel laws and what the Rabbi says, in Israel we are about to pass some laws that will make them riot probebly but will draw them out of the "dark" in some areas, about time.
     
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    Really?

    I am sort of surprised since it is happening in your nation. I am from Scotland, and I have known about this for years. It cannot be done here, it is illegal.

    :thumbsup:
     
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    you have to wonder what kinda person even comes up with crazy stuff like this, and even more what kinda parent allows it
     
  11. Gilos

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    I didnt either, it's only in practice with the Orthodox - and only Ashkenazi Orthodox, Spanish dont do that.
     
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    I take it you know there are some Jews that do not even now do it at all?

    That's what I would do if I were Jewish.
     
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    I would think most normal people would be thinking exactly what I am thinking about these doing it in the Jewish faith.. pedophiles...


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    Not you either? Maybe I am the only person that knows about this!

    :love:
     
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    What about baby sacrifice

    [video=youtube;n7QXz6hDtxI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7QXz6hDtxI[/video]
     
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    Lol.

    Oh no..not this footage.

    I actually found out her name, and followed up what she had been doing since.

    It was interesting to do so. I really do not favour shows like this, they take something potentially serious and make entertainment from it.
     
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    Circumsicion or the blood sucking bit ?
     
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    You showed it a year back and it was the first time I heard about it,

    I remeber saying something like "I want to see the Rabi that has the nerve to put his lips around my son penis.."

    thou I have girls..,

    When I was circumsized I didnt get a blowjob, but they did dip my pacifier in wine.....actually it could lead to....nvm!
     
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    Circumsicion.

    I am cetain of it.
     
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    there is a lot Americans dont know about what goes on and what they are paying for in money and in lives and wars
     
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    Good memory.

    Here is something I had never head of before, and cannot see a point to.

    Some Jewish women shave their heads then wear wigs. Is that true? If you are going to put on a wig, then why not just leave your actual hair?

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    Abu, what is the deal with circumcison among Muslims?

    Is it a must be done?

    Is it ever done in the way described in the OP?
     
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    I remeber seeing the in the news that some woman didnt want to go throu that for her son, a weird kind of woman, herbs and flowers if you know what I mean,

    I think these cases are very rare, not out of strong religous belives bit simply beacause an uncircumsiced kid will look and feel strange around other kids, no parent want that..


    We are Jews, we cut and life are still good, its nobody's business as long as health codes are met.
     
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    Personally, I do not care if my child conformed to a norm or not.

    All I care about is that they are happy.

    But there are definitely some Jews who are not doing it.

    And there are certainly Jews who will not entertain the methods as per the OP.
     
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    Well most dont do that sucking stuff, the minority does.

    You think you wont mind but a penis is always a very private issue and kids explore each other in young age, you dont want your child to feel outside of the group or being fun at.
     

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