Anti-Gun People: What is the proper course of action if you are attacked?

Sure, they are unrealistic options I suppose but guns aren't necessarily a better solution either. Probably on a day to day basis I would rather be trained in a real martial art. I would train a dog to take on someone too, there is just something about dogs that worries humans. Most likely someone is going to jack you for your wallet or something, they would pick the guy that isn't walking with the alert and rather large toothed mammal.

Guns could also provide a false sense of security ,and potentially allow you to let your guard down or engage bad situations. I mean you may venture into more risky parts of town or something to that effect. You may try to engage the guy holding a gun to you instead of letting him have your $$ or chase down someone you feel is threatening. Or after he took it you would try to arrest the guy. For example, what if Zimmerman actually approached a real threat, I bet you good money he would be deader than fried chicken.

I'm not really deriving an argument here out of facts but there may not really be facts here anyway. Ironically the only times I had guns put on me were by friends growing up who found dad's shotgun or 38. I also feel there are a lot of great ways before introducing guns that could curtail home invasion or being robbed. Common sense stuff.

 

Sure, they are unrealistic options I suppose but guns aren't necessarily a better solution either. Probably on a day to day basis I would rather be trained in a real martial art. I would train a dog to take on someone too, there is just something about dogs that worries humans. Most likely someone is going to jack you for your wallet or something, they would pick the guy that isn't walking with the alert and rather large toothed mammal.

Guns could also provide a false sense of security ,and potentially allow you to let your guard down or engage bad situations. I mean you may venture into more risky parts of town or something to that effect. You may try to engage the guy holding a gun to you instead of letting him have your $$ or chase down someone you feel is threatening. Or after he took it you would try to arrest the guy. For example, what if Zimmerman actually approached a real threat, I bet you good money he would be deader than fried chicken.

I'm not really deriving an argument here out of facts but there may not really be facts here anyway. Ironically the only times I had guns put on me were by friends growing up who found dad's shotgun or 38. I also feel there are a lot of great ways before introducing guns that could curtail home invasion or being robbed. Common sense stuff.

Not trying to take away from your points, I think they are very valid.

 

Is it just me, or is it kind of ironic that your avatar has someone wielding a gun in it?....

 

Let's always remember the effect of all these cowboys and their guns: the US locks away more people than anywhere else on earth, and certainly more than Stalin ever thought of. To do that and still murder six times as many per head as Germany is quite a feat, you have to admit!

 

That has more to do with drug policy than gun policy.

It's also because we've privatized much of our prison system.

 

That's funny, I was just reading a long list of recent armed robberies that happened in Australia.

 

Most folks are not dependent upon packing a firearm all the time everywhere they go to give themselves a feeling of security, and most people are justified in feeling that way because they are seldom, if ever, attacked - usually by somebody who derives his self-confidence by packing a firearm - in which case, there is an implicit challenge, folks get all shooty, and somebody is far more likely to get shot.

I am reminded of a Gahan Wilson cartoon:

("Honestly, Harry, I'll never chide you again for carrying around that elephant gun.")​

If "You never know," is your contingency mantra, you'll still never know what it is you might need.

Perchance, a crucifix or a mirror, your blunderbuss being utterly ineffectual.





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Sometimes they are the only solution, in which case they are also the worst. Short of being a victim.

not practical for me.. but if it was a "jack me for my purse' they can have it. if they want me, then its another matter.

For some it could be so. For the PTSD / hypervigilance frame of mind, like mine, no. Not a chance.

So are yours for whom they doth apply.

 

Australia still has rifles. Handguns are hard to get, but rifles aren't really.

 

Plenty of people support gun rights just out of principle.

I have two handguns, but I rarely carry them. Even if I didn't own any guns, I still wouldn't attempt to strip other people of that right.

It's more just a live and let live kind of thing for me.

 

Perhaps this works in a place like Australia that's surrounded by water. We have an illegal border smuggling problem here that our government doesn't seem all that interested in doing anything about (the Democrats in particular). Where do you think most of our drugs come from?

Why do you have so much violent crime in your own country? You'd think a place that averages something like 36 stabbings a day would be a little less cavalier with their criticism of other people's justice systems. Yours clearly doesn't work very well.

 

All of this talk about dogs...As soon as everyone gets a ferocious attack dog it would be only a matter of time before the legislators start banning breeds that are suitable for such, just like many are trying to do with firearms right now. It has already happened in some locales.

 

True. And you could actually make a stronger case for dogs being more dangerous than guns since dogs actually can kill on their own whereas guns require a human to pull the trigger.

 

I support the current interpretation of the Second Amendment because it is the law.

Like all rights, of course, it is not bestow absolute license upon any individual, and both responsible behaviour and sensible restrictions are appropriate.

 

And you have a problem smuggling guns TO Mexico - check it out the gun flow is not into the USA it is out of the USA

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Yes because some dogs are like owning a shark on a leash

 

And, there we go...didn't take long.

 

If someone wants my 'things' and has a gun pointed at me, I would pretty much give them whatever they wanted. A gun would not help me in that situation, as they have a GUN POINTED AT ME.

Now, if they want to try to assult me, that area is a little more gray, as they have to get pretty close to me to assult me, and may lower their gun.

If all they want to do is kill me and they have a gun already pointed at me, I'm boned. No doubt about it.

 

Meh, commerce is commerce. Nobody is harmed because of buying guns. What they do with them is entirely on the user.

The same thing could be said about certain people. But your average leftist will deny the sky is blue before accepting this cold hard truth.

 

The violent response I posted earlier is still a perfectly valid response. Predator logic interrupt. Behave like a prey animal, and you will be preyed upon.

Buddy of mine found he was be tracked by a cougar while waltzing around towards his fishing spot. He didn't have anything but a pocket knife. Like the crazy bastard he is, he charged the cougar yelling and screaming like a madman. The cougar, not used to being confronted stood confused for a second then bolted. Friend kept chasing him while retaining his psychopath behavior. Eventually he "tree'd" the cougar. He called a friend that he knew had a cougar tag. One less cougar in the world.

Violence is the only answer to this problem. Of course alligators and a moat is a good plan too.

 

Prey mentality? Not me. I generally am pretty paranoid in public places. I keep an eye out all around me. I listed for any unusual noises. It also doesn't hurt that I am a big, bulky guy that looks pretty intimidating.

But if a person runs up to me and has a gun pointed at me, what do you expect me to do? Any sudden movement will likely result in my death.

 

Fight back viciously as a cornered animal. Even a mouse if cornered will fight back ferociously against a larger beast.

With that mindset you are absolutely correct. If you aren't willing to face down a superior/better armed opponent than you have zero claim on victory or well being.

Combat often comes at the time that is most inconvenient. So when it arrives, behave as inconvenient as possible for its source.

I just don't get this rolling over mentality at all, in whole or in part. Even my wife knows I will shoot through her to kill the bad guy threatening my family. Cooperating with evil only empowers evil further. Never yield while your heart is beating and your lungs are breathing.

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Gamble that he'll not kill you. Then track him down later and dispose of that thing properly.

 

Um, if the person was unarmed, or only armed with a weapon that could not kill me with a simple pull of the trigger, you better believe I would fight back.

But if they are point-blank and have a gun pointed at me, they could kill me in the space of a second, which means I would not be able to do jack before they pull the trigger. The human body can only move so fast.

 

It's rather embarrassing hearing the macho fantasies of being attacked by a band of nunchuck-wielding knucklehead ninjas and whipping out one's man enhancer to deftly dispatch the dastards in defence of truth, justice, and the American way, and then to smugly quaff your Dr Pepper (shaken, not stirred.)

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Some musing are best kept to oneself.

 

My point was that it would not be very hard to keep a black market going even if all guns were legally banned in the U.S. because smuggling is already a rampant industry.

 

If they are point blank than your chances of fighting back actually increase your odds. If they are a few steps away it is only a slightly different. Although it requires either a smidgin of training or a hairy set of balls, preferably both.

21 foot rule applies everywhere. And predators don't like porcupines, they might kill it, but digging quills out of your paws is no fun. So generally they are avoided.