Anti Vaxers, what the hecks wrong with these Parents

No they can be provided school at home for free.
The word forcing carries certain weight

 

No one is forced to join the military, attend public school, or a licensed daycare, and therefor cannot be forced to be vaccinated.

I think you and I both agree that it is irresponsible not to have our children vaccinated, I only asked where you draw the line. If vaccinations could be forced, should we include HPV and the flu vaccine? Its just a discussion, why are you dodging the question? At the very worst, I would have to respectfully disagree.

 

Doofen, the post is very clear about the law. That you don't like means nothing. SCOTUS is very clear, it has upheld such laws.

It is what it is.

 

Lets get past you being wrong about forcing vaccinations and get to the question you have been dodging. HPV and flu vaccinations are considered safe and effective. Should they be required?

 

It is lawful for vaccinations to be required under 'force' of law.

No one cares if you don't like it, Doofen, the law rules and you don't.

Yes, vaxes should be required for schools, for HPV, and for flu.

 

Its not that I don't like it; it's that it is not true. Even the paragraph you posted proves that.

Why would you force a young girl to get a HPV vaccination?
Have you done any research on the flu vaccine?

 

The force of law is true, Doofen, and nothing you say can change that.

 

Vaccinations are not forced by law and there is even a thread about anti-vaxers! They are required to attend public school, but not required by law. Getting past your misunderstanding, HPV and the flu vaccines are not required. HPV is preventable without vaccine and the flu vaccine does not prevent the flu.

You may be willing to drink whatever the government gives you, but not everything the government does is worth forcing on others.

 

Gosh, I wonder why that is....

 

People if they want to do certain actions are forced by law to vax in order to do those things.

All of the arguments that the law is not enforced passively as well as actively is foolish.

 

Don't you know who is behind the anti-vaxer movement?

Worst Measles Outbreak in Decades Hits Anti-Vax Hot Spot in Detroit
Metro Detroit has been a leading location for the anti-vaccination movement—and as of Thursday afternoon, Michigan officials had confirmed 22 measles cases.

Authorities also publicly shamed several New York City yeshivas for flouting a ban on unvaccinated children as an outbreak that began in October has infected for more than 200 people. https://www.thedailybeast.com/measl...t-suburb-rush-to-get-vaccinated-amid-outbreak

Anatomy of a Measles Outbreak: How One Traveler Brought Virus to Detroit Area
"The list of locations has grown to nearly 30 places, from yeshivas to car washes to big chain stores. Many of them are in the Orthodox Jewish community, where vaccination rates have been lower.

In New York, more than 200 people in two Jewish enclaves have come down with the measles. Health authorities have struggled to contain the outbreak, undermined by a half-dozen yeshivas that have flouted a state order to send unvaccinated students home.

In the Pacific Northwest, nearly 80 cases have been recorded in Washington and Oregon; many of them are in the Slavic community."
https://www.thedailybeast.com/anato...aveler-brought-virus-to-detroit-area?ref=wrap

 

OK - and any child who gets a disease that could have been prevented by a vaccine can sue
- their parents for not vaccinating them
and
- people and organisations who disseminate false anti-vac "information"

 

I sorta see how the sentiment arises, distrust in government and institutions but if one thought that vaccines cause this adverse affects and big phrama knows what else like food/water/air/phones also have those same adverse risks?

If one thinks corruption is everywhere does not giving your kids vaccines shield them from everything else?

Vaccines can’t be worse than all the other known and yet to be determined things (see cell phones) we all are subjected to daily

 

Anti-vaxers fear large corporations, the drug companies.

It's irrational.

 

I mean if the whole world really is out to get ya what would not vaxing really do anyhow?

Didn’t vax but your still ingesting all sorts of questionable things.

I’d rather kids be vaccinated.... as far as flu shots go I’ll roll the dice if it’s my time it’s my time lol

 

It is fools like this guy who leads idiots astray. He basically says that people should be free to spread deadly infectious diseases that are easily prevented by vaccinations. He is a domestic enemy of the American people =

New York Has Completely BANNED All Unvaccinated Children From ALL Public Places
March 26, 2019 by Michael Snyder
"What Rockland County is doing is unconscionable, and they should be completely and utterly ashamed of themselves.

Health freedom is not just a political issue. It is literally a battle over life and death, and it is a battle that we cannot afford to lose."
http://endoftheamericandream.com/ar...-unvaccinated-children-from-all-public-places

He ran as a Repub for Congress from Idaho in 2018 and got 10,288 votes in the primary (5th place).

 

And exactly how are they going to know who is, or isn't, vaccinated?

Let's tattoo that information across their foreheads, better yet, on their arms, number them for the plague they are!!!!

 

This whole vaccination issue is because there is a growing lack of trust within our nation.

• People do not trust our Government to be honest with us and some even believe the vaccination may be used for some other nefarious purpose.
• They don't trust the pharmaceutical companies to correctly batch the product and, because of past and current practices, suspect this "drive" is driven by greed.
• They don't trust the science or scientist when many use non-committal terms like: "there is no indication..." or "our research suggests....". Very few are coming out and committing to the facts and always seem to be hedging their bet.

 

Do it like this: if you vax and your child gets sick you automatically get one million dollars that comes out of the federal dept. of education budget.

If you vax and your child dies you automatically get ten million dollars out of the education budget.

Let the government put some skin in the game.

 

Why should it come out of the education budget?

Why are pharmaceutical companies not being held accountable? After all, one is apparently not responsible for one's failures....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/22/AR2011022206008.html
https://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/March-2011/No-Pharma-Liability--No-Vaccine-Mandates-.aspx
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/suprem...ant-sue-drug-makers-for-kids-health-problems/

Gee, a real confidence builder in trusting Big Pharma with our nation's health......

 

If you are a product of public education and believed that vaxxing is 100% safe then the public education system failed you. So they should have to pay.

 

A very few "People do not trust our Government to be honest with us and some even believe the vaccination may be used for some other nefarious purpose."

The nut brigade of anti-vaxxers are threatening the much greater number of Americans who recognize and support vaxxing children.

The anti-science anti-vax brigade threatens America's national health.

 

Yes, the law 'forces' the unwilling to educate children at home at their own expense while supporting public schools.

 

I think that in the future we're going to see more of the sort of thinking that has led to the anti-vaccination movement, with similar legal challenges.

Here's a scenario -- within a few more years, or decades, we'll be able to manipulate the genome of unborn children. So we'll be able to fix things like proneness to cancer, congenital deafness, blindness, autism, schizophrenia, a low IQ. (I'm projecting a bit beyond current science here, but not by much. The progress we've made in this area in the last decade is astonishing.)

But ... we will run into people who say -- "I'm deaf/autistic/schizoid/low IQ ... and I want my child to be that way as well ... you 'neurotypical' you!"

What to do? A certain kind of liberal/Leftist will say, "Yes, that's just another phobia ... there is nothing wrong with being blind ... it's all part of diversity and accepting everyone." A certain kind of conservative will say, "Parents have the right to make their children be any way they want. Keep the state out of it."

I personally disagree with those views. I wonder what others think? This is congruent to the question of whether Jehovah's Witnesses, who believe blood transfusions are a form of cannibalism and therefore prohibited by the Bible, should be allowed to deny blood transfusions to their children, when not having one will mean the death of the child.

 

You are mistaking, Doug, the response as you describe: it will the conservative who will say "I want my child to be blind like me," and the liberal who will want to interfere and say, "No, you do not have the right to deprive the child."