Anyone watching the CBS Coverage of Super Tuesday?

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    Is it? She won DC, which is closed primary.

    She got 33% in Colorado, and they have closed primaries

    She got 36% in Massachusetts which is a closed primary

    She got 40% in Utah which is a closed primary

    Having fun making stuff up?
     
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    I think the Nikki Haley voters will come around to Trump. There is plenty of time. Not today, but by November, as everything gets worse and worse, their principles will become less important to them.
     
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    Yes.

    Irrelevant whether it is or not. DC is not a state, so it is not a part of this discussion.

    No, they don't. They have "open to unaffiliated voters" primaries, which are pretty much open primaries. Roughly half of Colorado's voters are unaffiliated (and plenty of those people are "behavioral Democrats"). Haley benefitted from this, yet STILL lost by 30 points.

    No, it isn't. It is an "open to unaffiliated voters" primary, which is pretty much an open primary. A majority of Massachusetts voters are unaffiliated (and plenty of those people are "behavioral Democrats"). Haley benefitted from this, yet STILL lost by 23 points.

    Correct (for the Republican primary). Trump only won this state by 14 points. This example is a legit example on your part. The people of Utah have never been nearly as warm towards Trump as the people in most other states are. Maybe the Mormons there hate the fact that Trump (and most of the rest of the country) can't stand Romney, who is also a Mormon. Who knows....

    No, that's your issue.
     
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    The Haley voters who are "habitual Republicans", who simply preferred an option other than Trump, will mostly come around to Trump come November, except for some few and far between "never-Trumpers".

    The Haley voters who are "habitual Democrats", who only voted in the Republican primaries due to their TDS, will never vote for anyone other than the Democrat nominee come November.
     
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    Of course it is. They hold closed primaries.

    Oh, I see. So, unaffiliated = liberal.

    So, yes, Trump has a problem with 70% Haley Republican and independent voters saying they will refuse to support him. Unaffiliated are by far the biggest voter block in US, much bigger than GOP or Dem
     
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    It doesn't matter. DC is not a state. This discussion is about states.

    No, you don't see at all. You're just assigning bogus positions to others because your created bogus positions are much easier for you to pick apart than the actual positions that people are taking.

    What I actually said was that there are plenty of unaffiliated voters who are "behavioral Democrats".

    Not true at all. Nothing of the sort was ever said.

    A (smaller) chuck of her voters are conservative voters who simply preferred an option other than Trump, but will "return home" to Trump come November. Another chunk of her voters (the larger chunk btw) are liberal voters who only voted for her since they hate Trump (and wanted to virtue signal their hatred) and had nothing better to do in their own primaries. Then there's a rather miniscule percentage of her voters who are "behavioral Republicans" who are "never Trump".

    You're only further making my point for me by stating that.
     
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    You can talk about anything you want, I am talking about the Primaries, which is the topic of the thread

    You said "liberals". You need to learn to own your words.

    You said: "You're going to pretend as if most of those aforementioned Haley "supporters" aren't just liberals who have planned on casting their vote for her"

    If you don't think the 70% GOP / Independent voters who will refuse to back Trump is a problem, then you have nothing to worry about.
     
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    Winning a DC primary certifies the winner as an Authentic Swamp Creature.
    IOW, it is a political liability.
     
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    That is why virtually everyone now knows for sure that MSM = Fake News.
     
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    To follow a discussion that somebody else starts, you need to stick within the parameters of said discussion. I'm specifically talking about states. DC is not a state.

    No, I didn't. Anyone can go back and see what I actually said. I'll include it here this one time for convenience:

    "No, they don't. They have "open to unaffiliated voters" primaries, which are pretty much open primaries."

    Nowhere within that did I ever use the word 'liberal'.

    I did say that (earlier), but that's not what you responded to. You're instead taking that earlier statement, plus the statement I quoted above, and trying to pretend as if I think that unaffiliated voters = liberal voters (IOW, all unaffiliated voters are liberals). That's not what I said. I said that there are plenty of unaffiliated voters who are "behavioral Democrats", and those voters are able to vote in "open to unaffiliated voters" Republican primaries even though they aren't Republicans (or even "behavioral Republicans"). Then there's open primaries in which straight up liberals (the ones who are registered Democrats, not just the additional "behavioral Democrats" who consider themselves to be unaffiliated) can also "join in on the fun".

    The "problem" that you keep mentioning here doesn't exist in actuality. It's a grossly inflated number based upon counting a bunch of "behavioral Democrats" as if they were somehow Republicans or "behavioral Republicans". They aren't, plain and simple, so there is no "problem" here.
     
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