Are the KKK liberal or conservative?

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  1. ManifestDestiny

    ManifestDestiny Well-Known Member

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    Believing someone is racist when they really arent may be ignorant and stupid, but its not racist lol. Thanks for proving you dont even know what the word means

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    Its not "Muslim racist" because its a religion of course, but what about Arabs? Do you trust them? If not, than yes you are in fact a racist.
     
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    ManifestDestiny Well-Known Member

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    Nice one, very witty and clever :wink:
     
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    everyone agrees they are a bunch of nuts...the membership is just 5.000 to 8.000...so small who cares..what difference does it make...how many members are there for other wacko groups...? black panthers? code pink?...
     
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    ManifestDestiny Well-Known Member

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    The KKK lost popularity because one of their members raped a white girl, not because people stopped being racist. They just joined right wing militias now, and since Obama has become president the number of militia's and weapon purchases has sky rocketed, im honestly surprised you guys havent tried to assassinate him yet or try to secede from the country again.
     
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    I don’t know how to respond to ‘you guys’; but since you already believe I’m a racist, I’ll play along…

    First of all the KKK lost popularity because most folks in this country just couldn’t relate any longer with their hatred. This country grew up some and realized how erroneous it was to place any human as less than.

    Secondly, you just don’t seem to understand the mind of MOST conservatives. We are not the irrational zealots you seem to think we are; which explains why there hasn’t been any assassination on Obama. It’s not a part of how we want to deal with things. Conservatives are concerned with liberty. We want EVERYONE to be free of a large and oppressive government. But we want to accomplish what we want through free and peaceful elections.

    Now just look at how conservatives are dealing with things like race… In Ferguson, a white cop shoots a black kid. Immediately it was deemed a racial incident. The town since has been in chaos. Violence everywhere. And you worry about conservatives assassinating the president? Couple this with a similar shooting in a more conservative neighborhood of Salt Lake City Utah, where an unarmed white kid (Dillon Taylor) was shot by a black cop. The news actually reported it as the cop being ‘other than white’ rather than black. That aside, no riots, no violence in their streets, no militias storming black towns taking out random black people. In fact, it’s pretty much a non-issue for the town as well as for the all-so-willing media to pick and choose what is racial and what’s not.

    Your belief of conservatives is unfounded and irrational. And dare I say... racist.
     
  6. ManifestDestiny

    ManifestDestiny Well-Known Member

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    Tell me, do you see anything wrong with the fact there are only 3 black cops in a town that is over 60% black? You dont think its a coincidence the vast majority of the cops are white and the KKK is raising money for Darren Wilson, the cop who shot Michael Brown? Grow up
     
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    It was reported that the town just didn't get very many black applicants.

    KKK raising money for Ferguson police officer

    GROW UP and get your facts right!
     
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    you posted at least two or three, just admit the truth

    if it was just about people that didn't want to work, you'd post videos of white people on welfare, too


    that's ancient history, try to keep up, it's no longer that way
     
  9. ManifestDestiny

    ManifestDestiny Well-Known Member

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    It doesnt matter if Wilson supports the KKK, clearly the KKK supports him. Tell me, if the KKK really were liberals as the right wing CONSTANTLY says, than why does the KKK hate Obama? Eric Holder? Affirmative Action? Welfare? Abortion? They hate EVERYTHING liberal, they are beyond any doubt hardcore conservatives.
     
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    They hated big corporations.
    They hated the rich.
    They loved unions fighting for the working man.
    They liked big state government.

    They were POPULIST.
     
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    call a Klansman a "Liberal" today, and ones nose will be broken
     
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    Call 99.99% of the people in the South today a Klansman, and one's nose WILL indeed be broken.

    If you can actually FIND a klansman somewhere to call a liberal today, he will probably be some dumb, drunk, fat loser who won't represent much of a threat of breaking anything on anybody.

    As posted so many times in so many threads, the terms "liberal" and "conservative" are useful shorthand in the now for describing political campaigns... in the NOW. Trying to apply the terms to the past as some kind of cohesive political theories is absurd and a fool's errand. I almost never see the nonleft here committing this obvious fallacy, almost always leftists doing it.
     
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    I'm a FAR LEFTIST, I believe in all sorts of government intervention in the market, I am in fact a SOCIALIST! I want free education, single payer health care, unionization.

    But I feel ZERO WHITE GUILT!!!! As a white male I say "F" THEM, I OWE THEM NOTHING!!!!! And I am a VIOLENT OPPONENT OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, that's one thing I'd go to war against! Even kill to STOP IT! It's codofied, institutionalized RACISM!
     
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    ManifestDestiny Well-Known Member

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    Wow, first of all, calm down

    Secondly, if you are indeed a socialist.....Than surely you would see the need to help the least fortunate out of the pockets of those who exploited and disenfranchised them right? Minorities were disenfranchised by the wealthy elites, so I have NO problem taking money from wealthy elites to give to minorities. Yes, that money should also go to poor whites, but given that whites are the majority in this country and own most the wealth, I dont get pissed off when poor whites dont get those extra benefits that poor minorities do. Poor whites should get the money too, yes, but minorities need it more. Im sorry but thats just the cold reality, I grew up as a poor white and all my minority friends got cheap college and healthcare whereas mine was so expensive there is no way I can afford it. Am I resentful and ready to kill over this? Hell no, I see WHY its being done so I accept it because I am a rational human being. So again, yes I prefer poor whites were also helped by affirmative action, but if they arent its not the end of the world, eventually they will be, it can be changed and rectified.
     
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    He didn't say they were liberal he said they were populists. There is a difference. Populists tend to believe a lot of odd claptrap and react in odd ways to certain stimuli. Politically they are a hodgepodge of disconnected bits of political flotsam and jetsam jammed together in a distopian stream of consciousness that makes no sense at all. It is not terribly uncommon to find a populist mind that wholly accepts two mutually exclusive ideas.
     
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    the kkk definitely are conservative

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    your not like any Liberal I know, I would almost have to say undercover republican pretending to be a liberal by that post

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    Where did I call them liberals. They were like the Dixiecrats populist and segregationist. And they were embraced by the Democrat party not the Republican party who fought against their views.

    By the way

    So do liberals and leftist.

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    Since when did conservatives hate Jews like the leftist?
     
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    The Dixiecrats and George Wallace all ran for President as POPULIST not conservatives. But the issue is segregation and racism and it was in the Democrat party not the Republican party than both found and had a home for decades and only saw that diminish when both thanks to Republicans were defeated.

    John Edwards was more a Populist than a liberal as an example.
     
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    We do not hate Jews, most Jews historically have been hardcore leftists, Karl Marx himself was Jewish and so was Leon Trostky, the man who was supposed to lead the Soviet Union but was killed by right wingers beforehand. When the State of Israel was first formed they were a Democratic Communist State, so Communist in fact it even makes me scratch my head....

    Leftists are against the right wing government of Israel, not against Jews. There is a big difference, you are just trying to spread propaganda obviously about how we hate Jews when the very founders of many left wing movements have been Jews and all right wing hate groups like the KKK absolutely hate Jews, largely for being left wingers. The funny thing about propaganda is it always gets destroyed eventually, the truth always rises to the surface because its not weighed down by lies. There are many Jews in Israel protesting heavily their own government, are they anti-Semitic too? Dont make me laugh
     
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    And Bill O'Reilly is more a populist than a conservative.
     
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    the left doesn't hate Jews, faux news is lying to you....
     
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    Liberals oppose traditional conservatism and seek to replace democracy and the rule of law with absolutism in government. Through what is termed Progressivism.
    The 19th century saw liberal governments established in nations across Europe, Spanish America, and North America. In this period, the dominant ideological opponent of liberalism was classical conservatism. The early 20th Century saw Liberalism surviving while many of these Liberal governments branched off into Progressive, Fascist and Communist-Marxist ideology.
    Woodrow Wilson a Liberal/Progressive led his combined Democratic Liberal/Progressive Party from 1913 to 1921 as president. During that time the term Progressivism took on a distasteful connotation. Democrats dropped the name and continued to refer to themselves as Liberals but continued their Progressive policies. We see that in the National Socialist Bund and other Socialist/Marxian and Fascist bloody actions both domestically and in Europe. Hence the birth and formation of Unions as demonstrated by the AFL and CIO and merger in1955.

    "In the United States, liberalism is associated with the welfare-state policies of the New Deal program of the Democratic administration of Pres. Franklin D. Roosevelt, whereas in Europe it is more commonly associated with a commitment to limited government and laissez-faire economic policies."[11] Consequently in the U.S., the ideas of individualism and laissez-faire economics previously associated with classical liberalism, became the basis for the emerging school of libertarian thought.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)
     
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    I'm not like an "American-Style" liberal, more like a European Socialist/Commie, like "Russia 1919" -workers going into Wall Street with baseball bats and busting bankers heads, all my "liberalism" is about GETTIN' PAID! I have ZERO CONCERN for gay marriage or minorities or women specifically, they'll get paid along with me if the stuff I want happens.

    But helping them specifically? WHY? Who the fcck are they? Why should I give in to them? I owe them ZERO. I'm glad by the way that it seems gay marrige will happen across the board! Why? Not because I CARE, just because I want the discussion of the issue off the table so it won't be linked to the populist GETTIN' PAID issues that REALLY MATTER and maybe some gay haters will realize that they can get paid to oppose theTea Party and not be supporting the gays they don't like. It's about ME GETTIN' MINES not some altruistic BS.

    Oh yeah and "transgender" is fake asss, it's a mental illness, not in any way real.
     
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    I thought they were anarchists, which is a right wing ideology.
     
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    The left wing hates Jews just as much as if not more so than the right wing hates those no the other list posted. Which side supports Israel around here the left or the right?

    So if you want to play the guilt by association............

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    Yes that case could be made. But he is not a segregationist is he.

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    It certainly hates Jews more than the right hates women and homosexuals.

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    Occupy Wall Street is a right wing group? The Weather Underground was a right wing group? SDS?
     

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