Are The Russians Considered Sub Human In The West?

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  1. Art_Allm

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    Another blanket statement about "Russia".

    No, Russia does not worship Stalin, but some Russians and some Jews in Russia really worship Stalin.

    That is normal in a democracy and in a free country, you cannot prohibit that.

    Let's look at statistics:

    As we see, they just agree that Stalin was an influential figure.
    Does that mean that these 42 admire Stalin? No, of course not!


    As we see, the pictures of Stalin have nothing to do with polls or referendums, that was just an initiative of local authorities, a temporary occasion, dedicated to a festival.

    As we see, even though people agree that Stalin was an important political figure, most Russians still agree that Stalinism was negative.


    What about Georgia?
    They REALLY admire Stalin, because Soso Djugashvili was a Georgian who spoke broken Russian.

    Will that be a reason to prevent Georgia from entering NATO?

    :D
     
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    there aren't many Jews left in Russia.

    and only suicidal or self-hating Jews would worship Stalin.
     
  3. Face. Your

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    It was a Russian system, the overwhelming majority of Bolsheviks and the Central Committee Comisars were Russian IE they were citizens of the Russian Empire prior to the White and Red revolutions.

    In 1907 78.3% of the Bolsheviks were Russian and 10% were Jewish (34 and 20% for the Mensheviks).


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolsheviks#Composition_of_the_party

    Here is a list of the hierarchy of the Bolsheviks, the majority of them were Russian born Christians and to a much lesser extent Russian born Jews, (as if being Russian and Jewish was a mutually exclusive concept).

    http://semiticcontroversies.blogspot.com/2008/10/judeo-bolshevik-debacle.html

    Care to provide quotes from Roosevelt and Einstein in which they praised Stalin?

    Care to provide evidence of American banks financing Stalin prior to the Lend Lease program?
     
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    No, the voters on the Crimean Peninsula were never asked before, if they want to be part of Russia or part of Ukraine.

    This vote was about the independence from the Soviet Union.

    Ukrainian SSR, RSFSR (today RF) and other former Republics of the Soviet Union declared their independence from the Soviet Union, that is what this vote was about.

    Besides that Belarus, RF and Ukraine were going to create a "Slavic Union", and most people in these Soviet Republics believed that they will just get rid of Kazakhstan and other non-Slavic republics, and after that create a Slavic State.

    Besides that, only a bit more than 50% of Crimean people voted for the independence of Ukraine from the SU.

    And only in 2014 the population of the Crimea was asked if they want to reunite with the Russian Federation.
     
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    No, it was not. It was an anti-Russian and an anti-Christian system.

    No, even Churchill knew that this was not the case, and he was not a lover of Russia.

    BTW, today we know that Lenin had Jewish ancestors, too. He admired Jews and he hated Russians.

    What is your point?

    Kaganovic was a Russian, though he was born in Kiev?

    But the victims of Kaganovic were not Russians, though they were citizens of the Russian Empire, too?

    Sorry, but you cannot have your cake and eat it, too.

    Who cares about rank and file Bolsheviks?
    Look at people who were in leading positions!

    BTW, if you can use google, then you can find many answers to your questions.
     
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    there was nothing anti-Russian about the USSR. They never deported Russians simply because they were Russian.

    all anti-Semitic, Neo-Nazi myths.

    the majority of them were Russians.
     
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    Many prominent Jews returned back from Israel to Russia.
    The cultural elite of Russia is still predominantly Jewish, and this Jewish elite supports Putin.

    Here one example:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Solovyov_(journalist)


    Well, as already many times mentioned, Stalin was an important "founding father" of Israel.

    Many Jews love him for that reason.


     
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    founding father my ass, all he did was recognize the state as many others did.

    someone lied to you, as he was no "founding father".

    as for many Jews loving Stalin, you know you can't prove it, and there is no evidence for this, just myths made up by Neo-Nazis.

    meanwhile buses in Moscow are plastered with the face of Stalin the tyrant.

    how many buses in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem have Stalin's face on it? none!!!!!!
     
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    Bolsheviks destroyed the Russian elite, the Russian Orthodox Clergy, etc.

    And the Russian Tsar with his entire family was brutally murdered by Anti-Christians Bolsheviks precisely because he was the Russian Tsar.

    The Russian peasantry was decimated via the collectivisation precisely because it was Russian Christian peasantry.

    Russians were humiliated in Soviet propaganda.

    Words, like "Russopyaty" (Руссопяты), an insulting word, was used in Soviet media.

    Soviet media was an anti-Russian media till the begin of WWII, only WWII rescued Russians from cultural annihilation in the Soviet Union.

    Stalin had to revive Russian patriotism and stop the Anti-Russian propaganda in order to save his own ass in WWII.

    Nobody was ready to die for Communism, Stalin had to revive Russian patriotism!

    Read Solzhenitsyn's "Two hundred years together" if you want to know more details.
     
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    excuse I thought that you are Ukrainian and therefore didn't give full information.
    you told me:
    p.s please read the links I have given you. http://maidantranslations.com/2014/06/05/donbas-has-always-been-ukraine-the-holodomor-and-russification-legacies/
    The author there speaks -
    Did you know that many people from central Ukraine fled to the Donbas during the Holodomor...
    The author lets know that Donbass is only Ukrainian (who speaks only Ukrainian are people, which in 1920... there moved) but the author told nothing - that even much more people there moved from Russia - to build an industrialitsation.

    On it I wrote that (I speak only about near history) to 1917 only a few areas belonged to Ukraine - that I highlighted black in bold color - Donbass there isn't present

    therefore I told: So people of the East of Ukraine also the citizens well same western people. They there were born. Didn't arrive from somewhere .
    These inhabitants have no relation to Stalin and to Famine-Genocide. But these people - Russian-speaking Ukrainians - their fathers and grandfathers were at war against fascism. And their majority in the southeast. And they don't want that their culture and language - was selected by violently Kiev authorities. (as that Kiev didn't plunder them - almost everything earned took away to itself... I where that said earlier that the Kiev authorities four times bigger sponsor the western Ukraine, than east)
    If Kiev did all these years their life very bad - why they can't make a life better- themselves ? (as an autonomy - let as a part of Ukraine)

    ps: all of us study something - I only started studying - how to read and write in English two months ago:smile: and only at this forum - I well speak English - because worked much with British earlier... as earlier I had a girlfriend the Australian. But I never read and didn't write in English earlier
     
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    you forgot that many these countries - long time were in cold war against Russia. Led by the USA. After disorder of the USSR changed nothing concerning the West to Russia. Moreover the strong joined also the weak countries. It always so. That to the small countries to survive they look for cooperation - with the strong country. (lot of examples in the history) Here for example one of them - Japan now the ally of the USA because in Japan the American military bases and Japanese army very much "is weak". Japan don't like Russia... because there are disputable territories... as the American promotion against all who isn't pleasant to it - is huge. Small fragment as in Japan for example, the American historians - together with Japanese write World War II history-... the Soviet army expelled Japanese army from the Far East... after there was a nuclear bombing attack to Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the end to war. Children at school reading such history, at once think that it is the USSR dumped nuclear bombs. After all in the book it isn't spoken that the USA dumped these bombs. And you won't accuse authors. They don't say lies. Also how many it is released by Hollywood of movies about bad Russians -to much . Here so American Propaganda machine also works. Too began and in Ukraine 23 years ago. Russia sponsored the Ukrainian economy and developed at the expense of it and as also the... And meanwhile the USA sponsored the Ukrainian historians and the anti-Russian promotion. At Russia on fight against the American promotion of money won't suffice. Only a few channels such as RT can finance.

    I know to some Americans probably not pleasantly it to hear. But it is the truth.
     
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    It wasn't done because he fled the damn capital to enemy occupied territory, that is called treason.

    A) The new cabinet hasn't been appointed they are only the acting cabinet until the new President appoints his own cabinet.

    B) There positions are of little significance in that their highest position is co-vice prime minister under the first vice prime minister and the actual prime minister.

    C) They only hold 3 out of 20 seats, that is hardly the picture of "several" ministerships equating to "great power" which you tried to paint.


    What the hell are you talking about? The UNGA resolution had everything to do with the violations of international law committed by Russia namely the illegal annexation of sovereign Ukrainian territory.
     
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    Oh (*)(*)(*)(*)ing spare us the Russians themselves admitted that the unmarked troops were there's and the uniforms they wore are not worn by anyone else, I already provided the visual evidence, the eyewitness testimony, and the Russians own confession, the referendum was conducted under military occupation, through a Russian installed occupation government, and only allowed two options neither of which was staying a part of the Ukraine. The referendum was illegal not only under international law but under both the Ukrainian and Crimean Constitutions as well.
     
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    False, the duly elected Crimean Parliament in their Constitution declared the Crimea to be part of the Ukraine:

    On 26 February 1992, the Verkhovniy Sovet (the Crimean parliament) renamed the ASSR the Republic of Crimea and proclaimed self-government on 5 May 1992[13][14] (which was yet to be approved by a referendum held 2 August 1992[15])[clarification needed Did the referendum happen, or was it cancelled?] and passed the first Crimean constitution the same day.[15] On 6 May 1992 the same parliament inserted a new sentence into this constitution that declared that Crimea was part of Ukraine.[15]



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Republic_of_Crimea#In_Independent_Ukraine
     
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    So this is what you want Germany to do, help the criminals in Kiev kill more civilians? You do know that 200 civilians were killed and seventeen were children. There are about 700 hundred wounded:

    [video=youtube;WY-F6BLOmEE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY-F6BLOmEE[/video]
     
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    - Nope. Impeachment procedure doesn't need president to be in country personally.
    - When there will new cabinet then i maybe calm down. If there are will be no neo-Nazi. But today they are have power.
    - Significance? So you ok if in your country neo-Nazi takes 1/7 of ministry seats? some not very significant?
    - Resolution was about referendum in Crimea. Not about "crimes" of Russia. Read it.

    - I talk about violation on the votes. Photo of soldier standing somewhere proof nothing.
     
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    I was talking about a referendum, you are talking about a decision of a parliament.

    The parliament did not have any right to take this decision.
     
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    Parliament represents the will of the people.
     
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    If this was always the case, then there would be no need of any referendums at all!

    But it is obvious that the parliament not always represents the will of the people, because the elected representatives do not consult their voters, taking decisions.

    But even if your thesis was true, then the new Crimean parliament supported in its recent decision the reunification of the Crimea with Russia.

    You know, in a state it is like in a marriage.

    The wife sometimes decides to divorce from her husband, and the husband cannot prevent it, if his wife decides to live with another man.

    :D

    The Junta in Kiev acts like an angry husband that cannot accept that his wife does not love him any more!

    Now these bastards tried to beat their "ex-wife" into submission, how stupid!

    The more children these bastards kill, the more they will be hated!

     
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    I already did and proved your classical anti-Semitic canards for exactly what they are a pack of lies, the majority of the Bolshevik leadership were RUSSIAN CHRISTIANS, so (*)(*)(*)(*) off. The facts have been presented you have no statistics to counter these undeniable facts, game, set, and mother (*)(*)(*)(*)ing match.
     
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    I always knew that representative governance is above the heads of the holocaust denying Jewish conspiracy proliferating pro Imperialistic overt anti-Semites.
     
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    Oh (*)(*)(*)(*)ing spare me, the new Crimean Prime Minister was sworn with Russian Spec Ops standing beside him armed with rocket launchers and AK's the Crimean parliament is an occupation government no different from the Vichy government in France.
     
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    Your classical Anti-Russian canards did not prove anything.
     
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    That is another Anti-Russian canard.
    If the Crimean population was not happy with being part of Russia, they would fight against Russian government like the population of Donezk and Lugansk is now fighting against the pro-Bandera Junta.

    And if Russia was really occupying Crimean Peninsula against the will of the residents, then the Russian army would have to bomb Crimean schools and hospitals, kill women and children, like the Junta does to subjugate the population of the Donbass and Lugansk that does not want to live under the control of the followers of Bandera.

    There is peace on the Crimean Peninsula, and there will be more and more prosperity.

    But Ukrainian Junta is bombing into stone age the infrastructure of it own land, killing children and women, which generates more and more hate of the people that they pretend to represent.
     
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    It's none of our business at all, sort out your own problems.
     

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