As Israel continues atrocities, US continues to be its lap dog

and the Arabs have been committing attrocities against Jews for centuries before Zionism existed, in and outside Palestine.

 

How is Hamas forcing them to be shields. Can you tell me in a city as densely populated as Gaza? These are some of the same arguments that the Nazis used.

When the Germans claimed there was no viable alternative to murdering thousands of civilians as they bombed the city of Leningrad nearly 70 years ago because extremists were part of the city’s civilian population, most of the world considered such justification to be absurd.

I repeat. Gaza has one of the most dense populations in the world. Of course Hamas is going to be among the civilian population. This does not give Israel the right to murder innocent civilians.This is the same flawed logic Israel’s government is using whenever they claim there is no viable alternative to launching airstrikes on Gaza because Hamas is there. Remember those 4 Palestinians boys killed by an Israeli airstrike while they were playing soccer yesterday? The U.S. State Department does not consider Israel responsible for their deaths and placed the blame squarely on Hamas.

What about the UN shelter it keeps bombing? Were those shields too. Can you provide an independent report proving that?

 

forcing?

they are willing human sheilds, in order to make Israel look bad.

 

Except Israel isn't doing any of that. It is Hamas who has declared that one Israeli is worth a 1000 Palestinians, By Hamas own logic Israel is short about 63,000 dead Palestinians or so. The Mufti of Jerusalem was talking about killing all the Jews before there was an Israel.

 

The Mufti never talked about killing all Jews.. He wanted to limit the massive migration of European refugees into Palestine.

Lying doesn't help your cause.

 

Nor yours the quote quote is pretty clear and it doesn't and it doesn't say evict it says kill...

 

Evict? No .. the Mufti wanted to stop illegal immigration and get the West to take in some of the European Jews instead of foisting them off on little Palestine.

I realize that Jews have been lied about for generations.. and some of the lies are perfectly horrid.. You'd think the Jews would NOT lie about others.

 

That's not what the quote I've seen says. And I'm not a Jew I'm a student of history.

 

That is simply not true..........and if you haven't seen Hamas leaders calling for resistance by going to roof tops then you don't know enough about what is going on to comment.

That is a stupid statement.........

No it really isn't.
Major American cities like New York, Chicago, Boston, and San Francisco are all more densely populated than Gaza – as are the Israeli cities of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.

Yes because they hate Israel so much they fire rockets from schools, hospitals, etc. but they do it because they are evil

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This is not murder. Most of the civilian deaths were due to mistakes of purposeful actions by Hamas.

Yes because Israel wouldn't do anything if Hamas would stop lobbing rockets at Israel.

You understand they found a tunnel in one of those? No? I wonder why.

 

Back in the summer of 1940 and again in February 1941, al-Husseini submitted to the Nazi German Government a draft declaration of German-Arab cooperation, containing a clause:


Germany and Italy recognize the right of the Arab countries to solve the question of the Jewish elements, which exist in Palestine and in the other Arab countries, as required by the national and ethnic (völkisch) interests of the Arabs, and as the Jewish question was solved in Germany and Italy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Amin_al-Husayni#1929_Palestine_Riots

Subsequently, the Mufti declared in November, 1943:


It is the duty of Muhammadans in general and Arabs in particular to … drive all Jews from Arab and Muhammadan countries….Germany is also struggling against the common foe who oppressed Arabs and Muhammadans in their different countries. It has very clearly recognized the Jews for what they are and resolved to find a definitive solution [endgültige Lösung] for the Jewish danger that will eliminate the scourge that Jews represent in the world

The Mufti also wrote a pamphlet for the 13th SS Handschar division, translated as Islam i Zidovstvo (Islam and Judaism) which closed with a quotation from Bukhari-Muslim by Abu Khurreira that states:"The Day of Judgement will come, when the Muslims will crush the Jews completely: And when every tree behind which a Jew hides will say: 'There is a Jew behind me, Kill him!".[200]

On 1 March 1944, while speaking on Radio Berlin, al-Husseini said: 'Arabs, rise as one man and fight for your sacred rights. Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion. This saves your honor. God is with you
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At least now the left wing hacks have quit blaming Bush for anything negative.

 

Its hard work being a defender of palestinians. It really is, i applaud your strength OP. I tried it for a little while but there is just something about palestinians that makes you want to see their communities and homes be met with rocket fire and thousands upon thousands of heavily armed Israeli soldiers.

 

Really? The Israeli interior minister has no say on Israeli policy?

Does Ariel Sharon's opinion not relect the opinion of Israelis particularly that of their politicians?

Does not the Likud charter deny the existence of Palestinians or even a two state solution?

What about some of these comments?

“Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader, I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs, We come from Israel, it’s true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we came here and stole their country. Why should they accept that?” David Ben-Gurion

“Before [the Palestinians] very eyes we are possessing the land and the villages where they, and their ancestors, have lived...We are the generation of colonizers, and without the steel helmet and the gun barrel we cannot plant a tree and build a home.” Israeli leader Moshe Dayan


" [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin

"The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

"When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

"How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." Golda Maier, March 8, 1969.

"The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.

David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox)

Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget."

"We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001,

"We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.

"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"

"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.

"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." -- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]

. "We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own." (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155).

"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." - Israeli prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset [Israeli Parliament] quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982

Israeli Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg, Inferring that killing isn't murder if the victim is Gentile. Jerusalem Post, June 19,1989: "Jewish blood and a goy's [gentile's] blood are not the same."

 

Were the Nazis Muslims then? They had a lot more support in Christians I believe than any other religion. Stop lying.

Although Arabs were a majority in Palestine prior to the creation of the state of Israel, there had always been a Jewish population, as well. For the most part, Jewish Palestinians got along with their Arab neighbors. This began to change with the onset of the Zionist movement, because the Zionists rejected the right of the Palestinians to self-determination and wanted Palestine for their own, to create a “Jewish State” in a region where Arabs were the majority and owned most of the land.

For instance, after a series of riots in Jaffa in 1921 resulting in the deaths of 47 Jews and 48 Arabs, the occupying British held a commission of inquiry, which reported their finding that “there is no inherent anti-Semitism in the country, racial or religious.” Rather, Arab attacks on Jewish communities were the result of Arab fears about the stated goal of the Zionists to take over the land.

After major violence again erupted in 1929, the British Shaw Commission report noted that “In less than 10 years three serious attacks have been made by Arabs on Jews. For 80 years before the first of these attacks there is no recorded instance of any similar incidents.” Representatives from all sides of the emerging conflict testified to the commission that prior to the First World War, “the Jews and Arabs lived side by side if not in amity, at least with tolerance, a quality which today is almost unknown in Palestine.” The problem was that “The Arab people of Palestine are today united in their demand for representative government”, but were being denied that right by the Zionists and their British benefactors.

The British Hope-Simpson report of 1930 similarly noted that Jewish residents of non-Zionist communities in Palestine enjoyed friendship with their Arab neighbors. “It is quite a common sight to see an Arab sitting in the verandah of a Jewish house”, the report noted. “The position is entirely different in the Zionist colonies.”

 

do not call me a liar, again

 

On the contrary. It has been doing so for more than 60 years and there are countless Israeli leaders who have spoken of their wish to get rid of all Palestinians forever and to exterminate them.

British reports and inquiries in 1921, 1929 and 1930 all verify that prior to Zionism (which rejected the Palestinians right to self-determination) both Arabs and Jews lived peacefully on the land.

 

Resistance to an aggressor, to an occupying army? Yes, every human has that right I believe. Were a nation to attack your country would you not claim the right to defend yourself and your land / country?

Care to explain how? These are the same arguments that Israel is using to justify its actions which the Nazis used to use?
How did the Nazis justify Jews killing? By proclaiming them to be an inferior race. IS that not what Israel and its supporters say of the Palestinians?

And where would you keep an army in New York city that would be separate from the civilian population?

Who is evil? Hamas or all civilians? Who exactly do you think Hamas is? Do you not also say that the children and women are willing shields? Are you not calling all Palestinians evil then? Did the Nazis also not say the same about the Jews to justify their actions. Yet a minute ago you were calling my claim stupid when I said Israelis and their supporters do it.
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And how can you say that? Can you provide me a link to a report with numbers stating which were and were not mistakes?

Hamas has not been in power for 60 plus years. Yet Israel has continued its atrocities.

If Israel is so keen on peace, why doesn't it give back Palestinian land? Why does it not retreat to 1947 borders or even 1968 ones? Why doesn;t it end the blockade? Could it be because it doesn't actually want peace but only wants to kill and kill more?

Despite Israel's withdrawal of settlements and bases in 2005, the Gaza Strip remains occupied, both effectively and legally – and is recognised as such by the UN. Israel is in control of Gaza's land and sea borders, territorial waters and natural resources, airspace, power supply and telecommunications. It has blockaded the strip since Hamas took over in 2006-7, preventing the movement of people, materials, and food supplies in and out of the territory – even calculating the 2,279 calories per person that would keep Gazans on an exemplary "diet". And it continues to invade the strip at will.

So Gazans are an occupied people and have the right to resist, including by armed force (though not to target civilians), while Israel is an occupying power that has an obligation to withdraw – not a right to defend territories it controls or is colonising by dint of military power.

Link please.

 

Yes fighting for justice can be hard work indeed. Fortunately, unlike you I do not wish death and genocide on any innocent civilians.

 

I remember your walls of fake quotes. Ariel Sharon has not commented on the current situation in Gaza, he is dead. And no his son's statement do not reflect all of Israel.

 

Care to prove they are fake?

 

for every poor quote by an Israeli, there is a genocidal quote by an Arab.

 

Hamas are war criminals for placing rocket launchers in densely populated areas.

 

Another FOS comment. Sorry no Zionism didn't reject the notion of Palestinian self determination since there was nobody at the time called Palestinians since the Ottoman's and the Mufti of Jerusalem are on record as saying there was no such thing as a Palestinian.

 

Yeah, you always did come across as one of the more moderate, nonpracticing Muslims. This post confirms it.

 

Palestine became a predominately Arab and Islamic country by the end of the seventh century. Almost immediately thereafter its boundaries and its characteristics — including its name in Arabic, Filastin — became known to the entire Islamic world, as much for its fertility and beauty as for its religious significance...In 1516, Palestine became a province of the Ottoman Empire, but this made it no less fertile, no less Arab or Islamic...Sixty percent of the population was in agriculture; the balance was divided between townspeople and a relatively small nomadic group. All these people believed themselves to belong in a land called Palestine, despite their feelings that they were also members of a large Arab nation...Despite the steady arrival in Palestine of Jewish colonists after 1882, it is important to realize that not until the few weeks immediately preceding the establishment of Israel in the spring of 1948 was there ever anything other than a huge Arab majority. For example, the Jewish population in 1931 was 174,606 against a total of 1,033,314.

By that classification, that would be 99% of Muslims. Your point being?