As Israel continues atrocities, US continues to be its lap dog

Hamas will never be interested in protecting the so-called Palestinians who voted for them as long as western Leftist place the blame for their deaths upon Israel instead of upon the war criminals who surround their rocket launchers with children and women.

 

Only Israel commits atrocities. Hamas and other groups like them never do.

Gee, I wonder why.

If it were me I'd tell the UN to go shove it and if they didn't like it any action they'd take against my country will be considered a declaration of war.

 

Typical taqiyya nonsense from the islamonazi crowd.

 

If Japan had nuked US causing them to surrender instead of the other way round, it would have been the same conclusion i.e. in your words fewer deaths. Would you have supported that action as well?

 

If the bullfrog had wings he wouldn't have to bounce his ass on the deck. Japan launched a war of Aggression which she lost and deservedly so.

 

We are not debating who started what. We are debating the claim that the nuclear bomb saved human lives. Try to pay attention.

 

Here's a blog by a Palestinian to give you perspective:

Tears flowed until my body ran dry of them when I received a telephone call on Aug. 3, informing me that my family had been targeted by two F-16 missiles in the city of Rafah. Such was the fate of our family in a war that still continues, with every family in the Gaza Strip receiving its share of sorrow and pain.

My father’s brother, Ismail al-Ghoul, 60, was not a member of Hamas. His wife, Khadra, 62, was not a militant of Hamas. Their sons, Wael, 35, and Mohammed, 32, were not combatants for Hamas. Their daughters, Hanadi, 28, and Asmaa, 22, were not operatives for Hamas, nor were my cousin Wael’s children, Ismail, 11, Malak, 5, and baby Mustafa, only 24 days old, members of Islamic Jihad, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine or Fatah. Yet, they all died in the Israeli shelling that targeted their home at 6:20 a.m. on Sunday morning.

Their house was located in the Yibna neighborhood of the Rafah refugee camp. It was one story with a roof made of thin asbestos that did not require two F-16 missiles to destroy. Would someone please inform Israel that refugee camp houses can be destroyed, and their occupants killed, with only a small bomb, and that it needn’t spend billions to blow them into oblivion?

If it is Hamas that you hate, let me tell you that the people you are killing have nothing to do with Hamas. They are women, children, men and senior citizens whose only concern was for the war to end, so they can return to their lives and daily routines. But let me assure you that you have now created thousands — no, millions — of Hamas loyalists, for we all become Hamas if Hamas, to you, is women, children and innocent families. If Hamas, in your eyes, is ordinary civilians and families, then I am Hamas, they are Hamas and we are all Hamas.

Throughout the war, we thought that the worst had passed, that this was the pivotal moment when matters would improve, that they would stop there. Yet, that real moment of pain, of extreme fear, was always followed by something even worse.......

........ I was born in 1982, in that same house in Rafah’s refugee camp, where the family’s large household expanded. I grew up there, and everything else grew with us: the first intifada, the resistance, my nearby school that I walked to every day. There, I saw my first-ever book library. There, I remember seeing my grandfather fall asleep as he listened to the BBC. And there, I laid eyes on the first Israeli soldier in my life, striking my grandfather to force him to erase the national slogans that adorned the walls of our refugee camp home.

Now, the house and its future memories have been laid to waste, its children taken to early graves. Homes and recollections bombed into oblivion, their inhabitants homeless and lost, just as their camp always had been. Never ask me about peace again.

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/08/rafah-gaza-war-hospitals-filled-bodies-palestinians.html#

 

Since the assault on Gaza began, Israeli leaders and their supporters have repeatedly accused Hamas of using Palestinian civilians as human shields in an attempt to absolve Israel of responsibility for deliberately killing more than 1,600 Palestinian civilians in the besieged Gaza Strip.

Despite there being no evidence to prove this libelous claim, it has been unquestioningly echoed in major media outlets and invoked by US officials to blame Palestinians for their own slaughter. It has even been used to justify genocide against Palestinians in a newspaper ad created by anti-Palestinian extremists Shmuley Boteach and Elie Wiesel.

But the available evidence demonstrates that it is the Israeli army, not Hamas, that has been using Palestinians as human shields in Gaza.

In video testimony released by the Euro-Mid Observer for Human Rights, , Ramadan Muhammad Qdeih recounts how Israeli forces stormed his home in Khuzaa, where some sixty members of his extended family were sheltering in the basement on 25 July, and forced them to act as human shields.

First, the Israeli soldiers shot dead his 65-year-old father Muhammad Qdeih near the entrance of the home as he tried to alert the soldiers to the presence of women and children while carrying a white flag.

Next, says Qdeih, the soldiers forcibly positioned members of his family, including the children, at the windows of his home and proceeded to fire from behind them.

“They ordered us to take off our clothes and tied our hands up,” says Qdeih. “They took us to one of the rooms and used us as shields, making us stand at the windows as if we were looking outside. I was at one window and three children from my family at another. The soldiers then began firing around us.”

For eight hours, Qdeih’s relatives were denied food and water as they were shuffled from one room to another with their hands restrained behind their backs and forced to stand in front of open windows as Israeli soldiers fired from behind their bodies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyFf-ELO5g0

 

But even The New York Times has conceded that "There is no evidence that Hamas and other militants force civilians to stay in areas that are under attack."

The BBC's Middle East editor, Jeremy Bowen, similarly declared, "I saw no evidence during my week in Gaza of Israel's accusation that Hamas uses Palestinians as human shields."

Besides ignoring the fact that all of Gaza is densely populated, this accusation fails to address that Israel also places its military command centers among civilian populations, most notoriously HaKirya, the Israeli army headquarters, which is located in the heart of densely populated Tel Aviv, surrounded by malls, museums, hospitals, schools and so on.

Ironically, it is Israel that has a well-documented history of using Palestinian civilians, including children, as human shields. In what is referred to as "the neighbor procedure," Israeli soldiers force Palestinian civilians to approach armed suspects and homes potentially rigged with explosives to protect the lives of soldiers.
Israel was condemned by the United Nations as recently as last year for its "continuous use of Palestinian children as human shields and informants."
More recently, Palestinian civilians have accused Israeli forces of using them as human shields in the Khuzaa neighborhood in Gaza, which has been the site of heavy shelling.

 

This "human shields" argument is what allows Israeli officials, as Noura Erakat points out, to "openly admit that they are deliberately and systematically bombing the family homes of suspected militants," killing whole families. It suggests an ethic that supposedly justifies an Israeli offensive which produces 75-80% civilian causalities , 33% of which are children, among the Palestinian population (and somehow renders insignificant the contrasting fact that almost 100% of Israeli casualties from Palestinian resistance operations are military). To hear it in the American media, poor, anguished Israel actually becomes the victim of all these "telegenically dead," deliberately sacrificed, Palestinian "human shields."

Of course, anyone with an ounce of intellectual or moral honesty would have to accept that such an ethic was universally applicable: Kill by that ethic, die by that ethic.


the [Israeli] Defense Ministry is in the heart of Tel Aviv, as is the army's main "war room." [These are real "command and control centers"] And"the military training base at Glilot [is] near the big mall" And the Shin Bet headquarters [is] in Jerusalem, on the edge of a residential neighborhood." If Israel's claimed ethic were anything other than the flimsiest excuse for its presumed ethno-supremacist license to kill, Israel and its supporters would have to accept that Hamas has at least as much right to fire its crude rockets in the general direction of the Israeli Ministry of Defense as Israel does to blow up homes, schools, and hospitals with its precision weapons--civilian casualties be damned. By Israeli logic and ethic, are not the Israeli civilians near these military facilities "human shields"? When they get killed, should we not sympathize with the anguished Hamas rocketeers who were forced to kill the civilians that Israel cleverly placed in dangerous neighborhoods?

Actually, unless one is comfortable with colonialism, it's arguable that Hamas has every right to its attacks, and it's inarguable that Israel has no right to theirs.

 

This will not win any sympathies with the people who are against what they call Zionism.

But good posts.

 

Sorry that debate has already been decided There is no doubt that an invasion of the Japanese mainland would have cost the two sides in excess of 7 million casualties and resulted in the complete destruction of Japanese civilizations. The 2 bombs under 600k. Last I checked 600k is less than 10% of 7 million.

 

Just your opinion not fact.

Again, if t were 600k Americans killed by nuke instead of Japanese, would your conclusion be the same?

 

Moral of the story: Don't pick a fight with someone big enough to pound ya into the ground like a tent stake. Too bad, so sad.

 

Its called compassion and humanity.

 

The solution is for the people in Gaza to kill the Hamas. If someone comes into my house and starts shooting at cops and the cops fire back you can bet your socks I will stop the idiot who came into my house any way I can. Why the hell do the people in Gaza put up with the Hamas? Do nothing and then complain when a rocket hits your house -- you can't fix stupid. I have to conclude the people in Gaza want the Hamas to fire rockets at Israel.

 

Actually you're not supposed to defend yourself. There is no call for that nonsense.

 

So according to you if a thief comes into your house and starts shooting at cops outside, the cops have the right to bomb down your house including innocent people that may be inside. In what civilized country is this enlightened system practiced or even condoned?

 

If it meant 5 million more Americans would survive along with the American civilization of course. And it isn't just my opinion. It is the opinion of virtually every sane and reasonable person that has studied the available data. And let's not forget that with out nuclear weapons WWIII Would likely already have happened Probably somewhere in the Mid sixties.

 

Ever seen how big a fire you can start with a tear gas cannister? Or a flash bang. Both in common usage in every country in the world as the last desperate solution to a hostage crisis. And that's when the cat inside only has a rifle or a pistol, Imagine the response if he was firing 122mm rockets.

 

That's exactly what I have been thinking. They could purge themselves overnight if they wanted to.

 

I realize the liberals prefer the French Defense where you drop to the floor, curl up in a fetal position, and whine for mercy.

 

No, we're suffering with lies and propaganda from Ronald0.
http://www.atomicarchive.com/Docs/MED/med_chp10.shtml

Ronald0 hates Israel and the U.S. and will not discuss either logically so why bother.

 

The rockets fired by Hamas at Israelis have warheads filled with TNT, ball bearings, and other explosive materials meant to destroy structures and kill and main dozens of people. So yes, that justifies a rocket from Israel.

 

Yeah, and the media would like that. Notice the media continues to show funerals for Israeli soldiers and funerals for Gaza children. I have yet to see the media show one Hamas terrorist dead. The media has no shame.