Ask a Jew Part Too; Commentary

All you did was state a premise. You have not given any argument, never mind a valid one, for why you think the single cell at conception qualifies as a living human.

 

This isn't the revelation you make it out to be, I always knew this.Don't be condescending.

Nor were the parents to be killed for their children's sin. He was clearly talking about a child that was capable of sinning. ( aka -already born)

Moot ...

 

I have given you arguments and you completely ignored them.

Here is the structure of an argument

1) Premise or Proposition
2) rational that supports coming to that conclusion

My premise is that you have presented no valid argument that supports your conclusion. My rational is given in the previous posts.

Where is your argument ?

 

What is this nonsence. Im not the one claiming that the single human cell at conception is a living human. You are.

It is not my premise that the the single cell at conception is a living human. This is your premise.

It is not up to me to prove your premise because it is not my premise.

 

I gave you one just fine. I believe a fetus is an unborn human life, an unborn human being. Just because you call it a fetus makes absolutely no difference and you have done nothing but state your opinion.

 

What is "I believe", other than an opinion?

 

Not my problem that you don't consider a zygote a human life but I do.

 

An opinion that can't be refuted by another opinion.

 

Yes, that would be correct, which doesn't help his case.

edit: I'm sure that if a pregnant woman was killed from the slaying of the Canaanites, this wasn't her choice either -thus making it double murder.At any rate, it is utterly ridiculous to equate that to "God commanding abortion."

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Sure it can. One just won't accept it. But an open mind will explore it.

 

So, Joshua murdered? In the name of God? Not according to christians.

It helps no one's case, as per USA law, the status of the fetus in terms of certain laws, is the mother's choice.
Can the fetus inherit an empire if somehow it lives and the mother dies?

 

We have been exploring it and I have not come to his conclusion and neither he mine. Quite frankly, I don't care anymore, it's boring.

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I doubt anyone has been exploring it. As it is against one's beliefs.
The real human will try to see where the other is coming from and why. With an open mind. The open mind is the hard part.

 

We're not arguing women's choice. Please re-read the thread if you have any interest.

Good night.

 

Dude ... your premise is " a single cell at conception is a living human" (we should keep terms straight but fetus and living human are interchangable for the purposes of this discussion)

Saying " I believe the single cell at conception is a living human" is restating the premise
Saying " I believe the single cell at conception is a human being" is restating the premise.

Thus... you have not made an argument. An argument consists of a premise, and rational backing up that premise.

Restating the premise is not rational that backs up that premise. It does not say anything about how you came to that conclusion.

By stating the premise without backup, you commit the logical fallacy "assumed premise"

Do you have anything to support your premise ? (restating your premise and over again does not count)

 

Thats nice and I get that you think the zygote is a human. Everyone is welcome to an opinion. Anyone can make a claim.

The question however, is do you have anything to back that claim up?

 

Do you was yesterday a human being? The day before? The day before? The day before? ... In this way you will find out: you started one day to be a biological human being.

And a "zygote" is always different - depending on the species. A human zygote evolves as a human being - the zygote of a dog evolves as a dog. Nature knows that there is a difference. If we are not able to see a difference or if we don't like to see a difference makes no difference: a zygote evolves as a human being.

It's by the way not his job to explain why a zygote is a human being. It's enough to say "I think that's a human being" - and immediatelly everyone should take care. To shoot someone down first and to ask him afterwards something and to get no answer is only a joke but not an argument. We are missing a human being if someone is aborted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRKHAarHMHw

 

Hmmm,...
What ever "it" is according to anyone, it isn't yours, mine, or even the woman's...


Exodus 13:2
Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: it is mine.

 

Let's get this straight so definitions don't get tangled.

I believe that 'an individual human life' begins at conception. Do you or do you not agree with that ?

I agree.

I thought you were aware what I meant by "individual." You keep comparing a human cell such as a heart cell and a zygote to be the same,basic thing but they are not. A human heart cell has the DNA of that individual person and the Zygote contains the DNA of another individual person separate from that individual. That zygote is alive and that zygote is human.

That makes that zygote 'A' (individual) human (human DNA) life. (it's alive)

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I'm talking about a human Zygote, sorry, maybe I should have been more specific.See post above.

 

These debates are on-going and fruitless.

Here is what we KNOW factually.

1) Killing wayward sexually promiscuous girls stops all abortions.

2) Sex Education/contraceptives have failed to lower the Statistics of 1.2 million annual abortions, while illegitimacy since Roe vs Wade had risen to 1 out of 2 births.

3) Welfare/single motherhood and fatherless children are both bankrupting the nation and creating cities full of crime and kids who fail High School.

4) Before 1960, Politically Correct shame, religious preaching from birth, and censorship of sex/nakedness had repressed Welfare, Abortion, illegitimacy, STD, HIV/AIDS, and maintained levels half of the crime since 1960.

5) Christian families have 2/3rds of all Abortions.

6) Conversely, 2/3rds of Welfare recipients are secular non-religious (atheistic) gentiles.

7) Politicians can not tell Americans the truth or they will not be re-elected.

 

Why do you continue to use that mistranslated verse when our resident orthodox Jew has already made it clear that it was mistranslated and then offered up a proper translation ?

 

Is it wrong for a mostly nice guy to believe that the women who are doing him the most in modern times are the most serious about a serious relationship, in modern times.

 

Have you ever questioned how come those runaway slaves was in possession of so much gold ?


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If you go back far enough, the entity is no longer a Homo Sapien, nor a living human.

A single human heart cell is not a heart. A single human cell is not a living human nor is it homo sapiens.

Just because something is "human" does not make it Homo sapiens. This is a Biological fact.

In order to be a member of the club "Homo sapiens" you have to have all the characeristics required for membership. The zygote is definately not a member of that club.

The Zygote means of reproduction is asexual A Homo sapiens reproduces sexually.
A zygote does not have a spine, lungs brain and so on.

A dead human still as living cells, but it is not a living human. Having living human cells does not necessarily make that entity a living human.

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A human zygote creates a living human. This single cell is not part of the cells that will make up the structure of the eventual born human.

The next 200 cells after the zygote all have the potential to create a living human. You literally have 200 potential humans. None in of itself is a living human.

We are missing trillions of human beings if we do not make sure that every sperm finds an egg.

 

Does anyone or any politician, advocate for abortion, or isn't everyone against abortions, just forced to see them as a necessary evil to maintain teenage and adolescent sexual fun for those 14 years before marriage???