Ask a Mormon Anything...but please be polite :)

FANTASTIC POST!

I attempted to give you Rep on that one.... but it is too soon since my
previously having done so... so I couldn't.

For the record, if you were to do a search for "Dennis Tate, Mitt Romney" in political forum .com you would find a lot of discussions that I began. You could also find a lot on Facebook.

I personally want very, very, very, very much to seem Mr. Mitt Romney given the role of Secretary of State and I am willing to make people angry at me to get'R Done.....


I would love to get your comments on this topic that is, in my opinion, not only political but has deep religious significance as well.


http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=486364&page=2&p=1066877090#post1066877090

 

I have had several cups of coffee today. This is normal for me.

Good idea to read the book of Mormon. That is not where it talks about Coffee.

 

Mitt Romney puts a lot of value on personal time both with his family and the church. Will he work for Trump?
i honestly do not know.

Thanks for trying to give me reputation. Maybe you can do so later. Never too late.

No news about Romney so far today.

 

Mr. Mitt Romney would bring something to the table that none of the
other SOS hopefuls could gather........
an entire State that in theory.... could print up its own State coin..... and also
could encourage local towns and cities to follow the example of Ithaca, New York or CalgaryDollars.ca/




http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presi...e-post-four-candidates-good-chemistry-romney/


Trump Narrows Secretary of State Post to Four Candidates, Had ‘Good Chemistry’ with Romney

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http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...-could-utah-state-dollar-save-usa-dollar.html

Could a Utah State Dollar save the USA Dollar?

Page #2 of this discussion gets into some ideas that I believe you will find intriguing.... and so does post #41........ which relates to a plan to unite Utah and Israel in some sort of special trade deal plus..........

 

Does it bother the LDS church that the first Temple in Kirkland Ohio is run by the breakaway Community of Christ who let non-Mormons into the temple?

 

I have a prayer request for all Latter Day Saints.....
I don't lightly recommend a friend for a high political office.....
but a century from now I can imagine many Christians questioning if perhaps, way back in 2017.....
perhaps Mr. Robert Mendelson might have been this or that predicted leader.......

http://www.politicalforum.com/elect...tions-potential-leaders-democratic-party.html
Nominations for potential leaders for the Democratic Party.
I have a man in mind who, if chosen by the Democrats, would give the party a very different flavour than has been attempted by Secretary Hillary Clinton.

He is a writer who has been shown a plan for peace in the Middle East that in my opinion, was well worth reading and re-reading four times already.

http://godspeaceplan.blogspot.ca/2014/07/gods-peace-plan-for-holy-land-peace.html

 

Have you seen the South Park episode about Mormons? What did you think about it?

 

I have been reading some of the L.D.S. literature over these past few weeks.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...saints-the-mormons-my-analysis-so-far.536387/

Latter Day Saints, The Mormons, my analysis so far!

 

I have those Hebrew tablets in my basement

 

I have read that the Ethiopians preserved them into our time period.

 

Heard that also, but not much to back it up.

 

I will try to say this as respectfully as possible

Looking at the Church from an outsiders perspective, many fundamental Mormon beliefs seem grossly peculiar... they seem incredible (as in NOT CREDIBLE).

I find that Mormons are, in general, remarkably level headed people. So, I assume you to be asensible person. As such my question to you is: Don’t you find some of the elements of the Mormon religion to be a little weird? The magical underwear, posthumously baptizing dead people, the golden plates and the entire asserted ancient history of mankind? I mean, I suppose that the Jewish Bible and the Christian Bible have some sort of added credibility just based on their ancient history. But everything about the Mormon religion emerged less than 200 years ago. It all seems even more improbable than other religions.

So, as a sensible person, don’t you sometimes ponder on the improbability of Mormonism?

 

Are they on Dell , Hewlett-Packard Packard, or Apple?

 

There are implications to all this.......

https://free.messianicbible.com/feature/israels-priests-prepare-third-temple/


Israel’s Priests Prepare for the Third Temple

 

Joseph Smith started from Vermont in New England, moved to western New York and during the second great awakening in The U.S began having 'visions' and later in 1830 translated the golden plates into English. From there, he and his 'followers' migrated to Ohio.



The Handcart Pioneer Monument, by Torleif S. Knaphus, located on Temple Square in Salt Lake City, Utah

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_pioneers

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/america1830.htm

In 1830 America boasted a population of approximately 13,000,000 people distributed among 25 states. Andrew Jackson, the "Great Commoner", was President. It was a land filled with unbridled pride and a confident optimism that the future would be better than the present. The revolution that created the country had ended only forty-seven years before. America had emerged


Travelling the Erie Canal, ca. 1830
victorious from the War of 1812 - the country's "Second War of Independence" -only fifteen years earlier. The Erie Canal - the pathway that would open up the West - had been completed five years earlier. America's first locomotive, the "Tom Thumb", made its first run that very year. America was growing, there was plenty of land available to start a new life and certainly the future would be better than the past.

Thomas Low Nichols captures this climate of optimism in a survey of life in New England in the 1830s. Born in New Hampshire in 1815, Nichols grew up to be a journalist and prolific writer. His writings promoted health foods, free love, spiritualism and other new ideas. At the outbreak of the Civil War, Nichols and his wife left America to live in England as a protest. While there, he published a number of works including a memoir of his youth in New England that provides us insight into life in America in the early nineteenth century:

"Every boy knew that. . .there was nothing to hinder him from being President; all he had to do was to learn."

We join Thomas Nichol's story as he recalls his youth in New Hampshire in the 1830s:


We had no professional teachers in those days for our common schools. Some bright, well-taught girl, who loved books better than spinning, taught our school in summer. In winter we generally had a student from the nearest college, who paid his fees and expenses by keeping school three months in the year, and graduated none the worse for his pedagogic experience.

Every year, at town-meeting, the paupers of the town were sold at auction to those who would keep them cheapest, taking into account the work they were capable of doing. The pauper was a slave, sold for a year at a time, but sold yearly as long as he lived. The schoolmaster was treated in the same inglorious fashion.

In my native State, and in all the New England States, there was a school-house every three miles, an academy in every considerable village, and colleges enough to supply the demand for classical education. We went first of all to the common, or free school. There were very few private, or pay schools; and boarding schools, except in the largest towns, were unknown.


The military spirit and the spirit of patriotism, in my early days were universal. We had no doubt that ours was the freest, most enlightened, and happiest country, in the world; and, in spite of the envy of tyrants, we felt sure that all the rest of mankind would soon be of the same opinion, and only too glad to follow our example. We entertained these sentiments at all times, but devoted one day in the year in an especial manner to their expression. This was the Fourth of July.

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Maybe the 'mormons' were trying to leave these lifestyles?

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Free love is a social movement that accepts all forms of love. The Free Love movement's initial goal was to separate the state from sexual matters such as marriage, birth control, and adultery. It claimed that such issues were the concern of the people involved, and no one else.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_love

I wonder what kind of 'regulations' the U.S had in 1830 pertaining to 'sex' and 'love' and 'marriage'?


In the Victorian era, this was a radical notion. (Jun 20, 1837 – Jan 22, 1901)

So from 1776 to 1830 with new concepts of 'free love' which even English men and women in England were amazed with. 1776 to 1830 is only 54 years.


So how did this come about?

Proverbs 29:15 "...a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame."


Women 'free love' advocates and 'high priestesses' in 1830 in The U.S could have also contributed.

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By whatever name, advocates had two strong beliefs: opposition to the idea of forced sexual activity in a relationship and advocacy for a woman to use her body in any way that she pleases

American feminist Victoria Woodhull (1838–1927), the first woman to run for presidency in the U.S. in 1872, was also called "the high priestess of free love". In 1871, Woodhull wrote: "Yes, I am a Free Lover. I have an inalienable, constitutional and natural right to love whom I may, to love as long or as short a period as I can; to change that love every day if I please, and with that right neither you nor any law you can frame have any right to interfere"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_love'


I guess it's with this 'free love' concept that the U.S had their population booms to what it is today...


13 million persons in 1830 to over 325 million persons in 2018? In 188 years? Of course there is immigration also... etc...


Joseph Smith might have even been involved with this movement seeing that he married many times.

Polygamy or Free love?


Joseph Smith (1805–1844), the founder of the Latter Day Saint movement, secretly taught and practiced polygamy during his ministry, and married multiple women during his lifetime. Smith and some of the leading quorums of his church publicly denied he taught or practiced it.

In 1852, leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) acknowledged that Smith had practiced plural marriage and produced a written revelation of Smith's that authorizes its practice. Smith's son Joseph Smith III, his lawful widow Emma Smith, and most members of the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (RLDS Church) attempted for years to refute the evidence of plural marriages. They pointed to the historical record that Joseph Smith publicly opposed the practice of polygamy;[3][4][5] the suggestion of the RLDS Church was that the practice of Mormon polygamy began in Utah under the leadership of Brigham Young.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Joseph_Smith's_wives

If 'free love' was going around the U.S, what would have been so 'wrong' with this concept of polygamy if 'free love' was out wide in the open?

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To proponents of free love, the act of sex was not just about reproduction. Access to birth control was considered a means to women's independence, and leading birth-control activists also embraced free love. Sexual radicals remained focused on their attempts to uphold a woman's right to control her body and to freely discuss issues such as contraception, marital-sex abuse (emotional and physical), and sexual education. These people believed that by talking about female sexuality, they would help empower women. To help achieve this goal, such radical thinkers relied on the written word, books, pamphlets, and periodicals, and by these means the movement was sustained for over fifty years, spreading the message of free love all over the United States.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_love


'By sakes' sake! Leave them U.S folks alone and get along with your tea'.
'Tea? Surely of course. I shall drink me tea and with joy, my sweet'.

'Hmm.. such a lovely day. What shall I say? Leave the Country men alone'?
'Yes, dear. That is what you said but forgot to add, but leave the others alone'.
'The others'?
'Surely the others should not get involved. Especially because of our Country's force, do you not agree'?

'Surely. I surely agree'.

 

Do Mormons believe Jesus came to the Americas? I think it was Mormons that I was told believe this, but I can't be certain.

(I have other questions, but they tie from this)

 

I remember hearing that too. He was said to have come here after his Resurrection. I don't remember if the Amerinds were supposed to have ever became Christians or not. It certainly did not make them hesitant about implicating Paiutes as the perpetrators of the Mountain Meadows Massacre, which atrocity was mainly the Mormon's doing.

And I also remember something, but very vaguely, of their beliefs that the Mound Builders were Christians but they had been wiped out by the other Indians, but I'm not at all certain of that and can find nothing on the net about it.

Howsabout it Mormon guy? Did Jesus come West, and were the Mound Builders Christians?

And what about that Mountain Meadows thing, How does that square with your all being saints? (no offense, long time ago)

 

Here is a good summary:

https://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-p...urch-of-jesus-christ-in-former-times?lang=eng

https://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-17-the-church-of-jesus-christ-today?lang=eng