At Least 9 Doctors Killed In US Airstrikes On Hospital

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  1. Greataxe

    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If a robber robs from me I am justified to stop him. I don't give criminals and terrorists breaks for their skin color, religion, economic status, culture or other things.
     
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    You aint above the law when you claim to be the good guy or are the good guy.
    And executing a prisoner is a war crime. it is as simple as that.
     
  3. Merwen

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    That was a bit different.

    There was no war going on at the time, and the murdered people were unaware that they were in a "war zone".
     
  4. truth and justice

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    I did not write that it was the same burglar. I wrote that you are saying that it is justifiable to rob from a different suspected burglar and, i will add, anyone who lives in the close proximity of the suspected burglar.

    Actually, re-reading your initial post that I posted to, you are stating that if the burglar robs a house (not yours) you are justified to rob the same house because someone else did it beforehand.

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    So if the Taliban take over the whole country, it is justifiable to blow up any building in Afghanistan to save the Afghans?.

    PS : The Taliban did not attack the west.
     
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    No, there was a war going on. It was just one-sided until 9/11.
     
  6. Merwen

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    It happened because they used no common sense and failed to leave an active war zone.

    Since they have now chosen to do so, their action vindicates my position that they should have done it sooner.

    It is only in cases such as Ebola epidemics that they should demonstrate such risk taking.

    I wonder if they had symbols on their roof showing they were a hospital? I doubt it could have been a red cross.

    Maybe their departure will cause ISIS to keep a few of their captive doctors alive instead of cutting their heads off, so this might actually have some helpful qualities for those in captivity by them...although, since they all seem to want to die as martyrs who knows?

    .

    In any case, the shooter was supposed to be an unwieldy cargo plane that was shooting in self defense and probably would otherwise have been shot out of the sky. The ISIS fighters were apparently used to such fantastic aim by US planes that they assumed the plane would if anything hit them rather than the hospital, or maybe they just didn't care.

    On the other hand, with their probable understanding of how terrorists operate, MSF should have gotten out a lot sooner. Surely they realized that they would be used as civilian shields by ISIS.
     
  7. Merwen

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    Riding on camels?

    Where have you been?

    Riding on private jets is more par for the course for many wealthy Muslims.

    Admittedly many might not be wealthy if not for the outrageous prices the US has been paying for Mideastern oil.

    So just what is your complaint, again?

    That we pay for Mideastern oil instead of just taking it, as some might have?
     
  8. Greataxe

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    I'm for killing the enemy. If the local elders running the area in Iraq or A-Stan don't support the legal government---they are the enemy---and therefore kill them.

    As for terrorists caught in the act of resisting---they are unlawful combatants. No need to try them. Shoot them. Also, any adult caught hiding mortars, RGP's, bombs, mines and other obvious destructive devices should likewise be offed immediately.

    ccording to Article 4 of the Third Geneva Convention of 1949, irregular forces are entitled to prisoner of war status provided that they are commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates, have a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance, carry arms openly, and conduct their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war. If they do not meet all of these, they may be considered francs-tireurs (in the original sense of "illegal combatant") and punished as criminals in a military jurisdiction, which may include summary execution.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summary_execution
     
  9. Heinrich

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    The United States has no business in Afghanistan. It needs to get out.
     
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    It means specifically ..... "Intentional killing of Civilians/Innocents"
     
  11. Goomba

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    What are you talking about? I'm referring to those fighting Western imperialism. They don't have tanks and fighter jets.
     
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    OK, explain in simple terms exactly what "war" you are talking about.

    You do realize, I assume, that the average American still has no clue...and it is mostly such innocent people that were murdered by the 9-11 attack. Most of those who died, if you bother to read the website listing them, were support people and cleaning staff who had the first decent job of anyone in their lineage. Their families had worked and studied for generations to get them to that point.

    I can see how someone that believes blowing things up rather than devoting concentrated effort into improving themselves and building useful things is the way to improve the world would have difficulty understanding this point.

    Most people with problems speak out instead of doing passive aggressive things like blowing up the works and lives of others.

    Of course, you are all so superior because of your ungodly pseudo-"religion" based on the ravings of a frustrated warlord who gave up his ministry to join the dark side that you all feel vindicated in the foul things ISIS does.
     
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    And the funny thing is that Obama is lecturing Putin about how to conduct war in Syria? What a joke. Obama is at his best when he shuts up and plays golf.
     
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    Of course the average American has no clue. They haven't been living under bombs for decades, now have they?

    -Bin Laden
     
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    No again how did you make that leap in logic? There is a difference between a war zone and a combat zone.


    PS they were harboring those who did.
     
  16. Merwen

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    Then there's a big piece of something that you guys are missing.

    What happens in your own countries is home grown.

    Now, if you are referring to the specific oligarchs that are causing us all problems, maybe I could understand your motivations, if not your methods, but "Western Imperialism" is way too overarching a term for me.

    IMO it is the use of such terms that keeps the real offenders safe and snug in their burrows while, like beetles, they gnaw through the fabric of societies and planetary well being.

    I mean such things as Monsanto planning to destroy the rich Ukrainian soils with things like insecticides and herbicides.

    Be more specific, please.

    If you can.
     
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    When Americans talk about common sense it is Homeric laughter. Doctors died because the terrorists of US invaded Afghanistan.
     
  18. Bluesguy

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    Well go and convince the Taliban and al Qaeda and other terrorist groups to stop trying to take it over so they can then operate freely there to continue their war against the western world and we can get out.
     
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    Israel is not home grown. The slavish American support for Israel is not home grown.
     
  20. Merwen

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    "American" and "Israel" are way too overbroad terms.

    Just WHO or WHAT is supporting the positions you detest, and why is that?

    Generic Muslim hatred of Jews is an insufficient answer, by the way, as is the retention of territory for safety reasons.
     
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    Where have you been the last 60 years? Israel is a settler state that has been occupying and stealing Arab land for decades, all the while blowing up Arabs. The US has constantly defended this nefarious state, all the while providing it with bombs.
     
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    Israel got the initial land it had with the general agreement of the surrounding countries, and the additional land was gotten after an attack by several Muslim nations.

    Israel spent its first years turning an unfertile, ungodly , marginally livable terrain back into productivity, using history from their Torah to guide them as to what should be grown where in the countryside. They were peaceful farmers.

    I don't know why the other Muslim countries sold Palestine out, but perhaps you should be asking that question instead of hating on Israel. Like all people, they have a right to exist, but the Muslim world can't stand that. That says more about Muslims than it does about the Israelis.

    Even a sleeping dog will bite if provoked. And people that have been victimized before will bite even harder than a sleeping dog.
     
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    Please stop pretending to be protecting the world by committing war crimes all over the place.
     
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    It clearly states "military jurisdiction"... that aint the same as an execution on the spot. Even worse for you your source mentiones:
    Under military law, summary execution is illegal in almost all circumstances, as a military tribunal would be the competent judge needed to determine guilt and declare a sentence of death. However, there are certain exceptions to this rule in emergencies and warfare where summary execution is legal.

    And your ranting that you support that people must be executed on the spot,
    is really you supporting war criminal behavior.
     
  25. Greataxe

    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, the execution of the terrorists (partisans, freedom fighters, jihadists, and so on) would be under "military jurisdiction" that is, any member of the armed forces should be able to administer justice.

    No need to go to some court. Even though it would be best if any soldier ranked E-3 (private 1st class) or above was allowed to use their own judgement to administer summary execution---I would consider the action needing an officer at the scene to give the orders.
     

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