Atheists. Your leader David Silverman starts War on Christmas!

Explain why your leader has been all over the TV these couple of days hating on Jesus Christ and Christmas? Please explain how this is not hating on us? Look at him, he looks upset angry and he has no respect for anyone. You can see lots of videos on youtube right now, follow this guy, look at his guy. He is making fool of you. He loses all the debates, he is a true idiotic leader. Why do you follow this loser?

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Good debate here.

 

Haha, "leader", omg, such stupidity.

 

I doubt mosts atheists even know who the guy is so how could he be our leader.

 

you two should have done your research before respoding.

he is the president of
http://atheists.org



these are your leaders.
http://atheists.org/about-us/staff


You like it or not, he represents you in the media now. He made the sign crossing out Christ out of Christmas. See the video.
and yes, you must pay 35 dollars to join the website. lol. You have a leader and a president and you didn't know that?

 

No this advocacy organization has a president and leadership. That doesn't mean that it is the leader of all atheists.

 

Yeah, I have never heard of the guy.

 

I have very little respect for these sorts of Atheists. They're in your face and proud of it. To each their own, he can say what he likes - but I don't share his views. He is no more the leader of the Atheists than the Pope is the leader of the Christians. The Pope is the leader of a specific subset of Christians, just as this guy is the leader of his organization, American Atheists. He's no more the leader of the concept we call Atheism than I am by declaring myself the leader now. You can't own an idea.

I have no desire to go around putting up such signs. I have no desire to debate the religious neurotically. I only discuss the topic when someone directs a statement/query at me. I give my perspective and move on. I celebrate Christmas for the same reason I celebrate Halloween - it's a great occasion where people get together and share gifts voluntarily and enjoy themselves. What's not to like? I prefer the phrase "merry Christmas" to "happy holidays", mostly because the former rolls off the tongue, and I feel no need to change my vocabulary to suit someone else.

I mostly just want to be left in peace to live out the rest of my life - of which Atheism is an infinitesimally small component. I don't think of my lack of religion as a thing in itself, it's more of a void - the absence of a particular value. Atheists like Dawkins and Silverman don't just have this void, they value trying to change the minds of others. To each their own, but I have no interest in such things.

 

Which is absolutely nothing to do with me whatsoever. Fail.

No he doesn't. People who have problems with understanding how logic works might assume he leads or represents people who have a similar opinion on just one very specific thing, but that is the stupidity I mentioned.

So much failure in your posts. It's hilarious when such poor understanding of a topic is combined with arrogance.

 

I would think that if he was to be labelled a leader, he would have to actually lead, and in order to do that, atheists would have to acknowledge his authority, either as a person or as the president of this organisation.

Most atheists do not follow this guy and do not agree with (and certainly don't belong to) American Atheists.

That being said, I think it's pretty clear that this guy doesn't particularly care about the standing of atheism in the eyes of the devout Christians like the guy in the vid, that standing can't get much worse anyway. The poster is aimed at the fence sitters, most of which are not offended by bill boards like this. Those are the ones who will merrily agree that the religious parts of Christmas are the worst parts.

I'll gladly agree that he lost the debate in question, mostly because the Christian debater was a better rhetorician. The distribution of focus in the vid, especially in the beginning, is a simple way of forcing status. The atheist should have insisted on a more active moderation from the host (especially since this isn't an uncommon trick). The Christian won the debate without even showing that he understood the argument the atheists were making.

 

On this one, I have to agree with you Steady Pie.

My only comment about the video is that the Silverman fellow from the beginning of his input to the conclusion was his view of what is "best for", what is "better for" and what is "good and bad" about Christmas. The dude is hallucinating when he starts arguing such subjective points.

 

Is this a joke or just trolling?

I'm an atheist and David Silverman is not my leader. He is also not starting any war.

I've only seen Silverman's face once before, and it was on FOX, because it's really the religious right who is talking about war.

 

Because supporting Christmas (and Easter) supports religion in the public domain neither should be government recognized holidays, I'd be fine calling them Winter Holiday (and Spring Holiday) respectively with a ban on all displays on government public land to be fair to all. If religions want to be religious do so out of sight in your homes and places of worship.

 

We have a scientific understanding "why" we are here ? Anyone know what that is, I must have missed the memo.

 

you mean displays such as the one promoted by Atheist.org ?

 

They only are there because religious displays are there, just ban all displays. That would be fair.

 

Then you infringe of the right of freedom of speech and freedom of expression. Such a dilemma.

 

He is your leader accept it son. At least the Leader in America and the voice of atheists on the media outlets this week. He is the founder and president of your organization. and the reason FOX will have them is because FOX has balls and brings this guy on because they know he will lose every debate and never be able to prove the existence of god on tv. He is not doing you a favor. And to be honest pardy, I have been coming here for many, many years and I do see a parallel attitude between him and the atheists on this board. Atheists here are just like him, bringing up the sale winter soltice stuff and yule and Pagan garbage to the argument and they always lose just like this guy. you guys are as angry as he is and you are not being interviewed on TV. Most of the atheists on this board reacts and seem angry, just like his leader here in america. Fox has quality shows and moral values thats why they bring him on with smart and intelligent people. I wrote to him today, if you don't like him go to the website and contact him too and tell him to stop making you guys look like idiots then.

 

This is pettiness honestly. The fact is that a lot of people in America (majority) want the Christ in Christmas. Should we demand that people take the crosses off the side of the road where loved ones have died in car wrecks because it is a religious symbol ? Not everything needs to be enforced. - Keep your sign, ours is bigger.

 

He's trolling.

 

Ok Ill bite, he is my leader etc.

Why do you say he loses the debates?

 

In my guesstimation I would suggest that he lost this debate as soon as he started arguing subjective points such as what is "best" or what is "better" with regard to Christmas.

 

Why do you say that? He said Xmas for those who'd rather not bother with Christ its better without him/it during this holiday. Did you get all the argument?

 

No you missed the point. The billboard asked a particular question and rendered an answer to that same question. The answer being "nobody". That answer negates your suggestion that he was only talking about those "who'd rather not bother with Christ". His billboard, his approval on the billboard, and the billboard declares that Nobody needs Christ during Christmas. That is a rather subjective and personally biased statement. Then in his oratory, he makes such declarations as "best" and "better" ... His statement was in relevant part.."we are putting it out there that Christmas is actually better without the "christ".."

 

Are you saying that a Christian needs christ to have a nice Christmas? If Christ werent around then any christian today would still exist as a human and still be able to enjoy the festivities.

Essentially because we are always human before we are anything else such as Christian it is correct to say that nobody needs Christ at Xmas.