Avdiivka, Longtime Stronghold for Ukraine, Falls to Russians

Zoomie .. you make up new "dead Russian" numbers with every post .. one moment it is 20/day .. 100,000 casualties in total .. the next you are talking 2 million casualties .. now is 1000 a day dead .. just in one town Zaporizia .. a number that will never be confirmed ..always end up being on the wrong side of ridiculous predictions.

In the real world .. according to the military summary channel for yesterday- was 1500 of Ukraine's finest - trying to navigate or hold open the one path out of encircled Avdiivka .. the main battlefront of the war .. dead.. a staggering daily loss .. running the gauntlet .. Russia 300 meters on either side bombing the snot out of the path as you go.. In addition was reported .. 500 surrendered. Russia's losses very little by comparison .. but still .. even at 5 to 1 this is 300 dead Russians which is a whole lot .. the reality more like 20-1 during the retreat phase .. but even calling it `10-`1 that is still 150 Russian soldiers dead in a day .. which is alot .. but nothing to celebrate as if Ukraine was not on the losing end of the Sausage grinder.

Brave Soldiers .. the Last of the Azov Battalion .. desperately trying to hold open the line .. This will be a battle movies are made of in the near future. getting crushed .. but doing enough that a few lucky to run the gauntlet that day get through.. .. 600 meters from complete encirclement .... having a numerical difference 7-1 - an artillery superiority 10 x the number and 10 x the number of daily shells fired .. and control of the sky .. dropping 60 big bombs a day on those defending with little ammo .. and no resupply .. many never been rotated out since the beginning of the war .. getting encircled .. the order to retreat come way to late .. as told you prior to the official announcement .. the Prophet once again tell you what come .. now here

 

I'm not disputing that Russia started it. But the reality is that at some point a nation needs to accept when it is time to make peace to avoid complete destruction. At some point a loss with peace is better than fighting to the death at all costs.
It sounds glorious in fantasy novels to fight to the last man. In reality, it is beyond stupid. When victory is more costly than a negotiated peace, you should negotiate and make peace.

 

Get back to me when Putlerstan wants "peace"?....til then all bets are off.

 

What is this "military summary channel?


Another one of those .RU $hithouse wall?....

 

Ukraine still has the Black Sea ports which was the absolute Russian priority on day one and they still have the fertile agricultural lands linked thereto.
They are now building up their own war production lines and with the likes of Rhinemetall etal they are developing scale maintenance and repair facilities.
EU countries are now starting to scale-up ammunition production
God forbid I mention these bloody stupid F-16s but I suppose I have to ... F-16s are coming to Ukraine....yay....there you go I said it....
There's a crap ton of other stuff going on as well...but in essence....at the moment.....I have no reason to see why Ukraine would want to go down that route...?

Russia is going to eat itself alive in the medium term....everyone's saying how spectacular the Russia ecomomy is doing and wanking off over marvelous GDP numbers....have fun with that. Easy to be cocky (pun intended) about numbers without understanding what they mean... what is this "war economy" sacrificing; what are the opportunity costs involved in order to eat themselves alive...inflation for one thing...inflation is being handled by monetary strategy, by the central bank, who are the cause of the inflation by printing the money to fund the marvelous GDP numbers...errrmmmm....sounds like a plan???

Anyway....in my little word....Ukraine has to see out 2024 and up to Autumn 2025....thereafter lets see the metrics of what is occurring but not until then....

 

The Russians lost the Ukraine war long ago. They now face a bigger, stronger, closer NATO that understands Russia for the thuggish outlaw state that it is. In Ukraine they have created hatred of Russia that will last for generations, regardless of the final territorial settlement. This makes likely the incorporation of Ukraine into the EU and then NATO.
The Ukrainian example will, over time, undermine the Putinist regime in Moscow.

 

So Ukrainian victory by the end of 2025? Love this prediction!

 

So Ukraine still wins even if they lose much of their country? That's really stretching the term "winning" out to mean absolutely nothing.

 

nah...f**k that can't be arsed.........just read it

 

Well what are you saying happens in the fall of 2025?

 

But what is going to make up for their lack of manpower? If we send them more tanks but there's no one to drive them, then we're just buying really expensive target practice for the Russians, or perhaps just giving the Russians more tanks to capture once Ukraine runs completely out of Troops. Ukraine needs more troops more than they need anything else, and they cant get that from us unless we declare war.

 

Would you live under the Russian Yoke? Theoretically.

 

Would you consider a brokered peace, based on Russia's current holdings in Ukraine being absoarbed into Russia, to be a victory?

 

Biden resigns because of health reasons and Kamala Harris becomes POTUS....

 

As long as Ukraine continues to get the military support it needs...

 

Interesting angle(!)

 

With a universal recognition that no country or single region can determine the fate of others. Ukraine and its western enablers have no chance of ousting Russia from Crimea and the Donbas, and Russia appears unwilling to visit the level of destruction required to force an Ukrainian surrender.

Finding an enforceable peace agreement would be my solution in this war, but, obviously, powerful interests making windfall profits on the killing in Ukraine and Gaza will resist:

https://www.jeffsachs.org/newspaper-articles/6f4xccbrdzy52gbtsant2fymckgerl

"In a peace agreement, Ukraine would need to be assured of its sovereignty and security, while nato would need to promise not to enlarge eastward. (Although nato describes itself as a defensive alliance, Russia certainly feels otherwise and firmly resists nato enlargement.)

"Some compromises would need to be found regarding Crimea and the Donbas region, perhaps freezing and de-militarising those conflicts for a period of time.

"A settlement will also be more sustainable if it includes the phased elimination of sanctions on Russia and an agreement by both Russia and the West to contribute to the rebuilding of war-torn areas."

 

Yikes...and heaven forbid.

 

Americans lost Ukraine when they imagined they could win a proxy war on Russia's border; only greedy capitalists who think they own the indispensable nation are sufficiently delusional to believe they could expand NATO to Ukraine and Georgia in order to surround Russia in the Black Sea region, and install a far-right Russophopic coup government in Kiev by the violent overthrow of a democratically elected president.

https://www.jeffsachs.org/newspaper-articles/wgtgma5kj69pbpndjr4wf6aayhrszm

"Biden and his foreign policy team refuse to discuss these roots of the war.

"To recognize them would undermine the administration in three ways.

"First, it would expose the fact that the war could have been avoided, or stopped early, sparing Ukraine its current devastation and the U.S. more than $100 billion in outlays to date.

"Second, it would expose President Biden’s personal role in the war as a participant in the overthrow of Yanukovych, and before that as a staunch backer of the military-industrial complex and very early advocate of NATO enlargement.

"Third, it would push Biden to the negotiating table, undermining the administration’s continued push for NATO expansion."

 

for someone that roams all over the f**king board pretending to be so bloody smug and clever........read the bloody stuff people post for f**ks sakes....

That's what I'm bloody saying......okay......got it now???
There you go back in your box.....bloody little shytestirrers ....

 

I'm not pretending to be clever, but I can see how it looks that way in comparison.

 

whaaa whaaaa whaaaaa....stop crying....
anyway..... you got there in the end then did you?? Amazing what you can achieve if you actually stop and read instead of going off on one stirring the crap.....

 

Why the f*** do you care about the Ukraine are you f****** s******g me. This s*** is not believable

Ps did you like my faux outrage and totally not being able to make ppl believe my words that I had to add a ton of expletives because I'm not very literate?

 

says someone that only stirs crap

Lots of funny comments here ,,,,,the most amusing are those yapping about the cause of the war.....and don't know the cause of the war.

aussie gonna help ukie win the war....all that support they've given....like at least 50-60 bucks

 

Posted you a link already -- to the Military Summary Channel .. a summary of what happened in the various battles along the front line. .. and another which told you what was up ... about the encirclement of Avdiivka .. the gauntlet Zoomie .. Russia 300 meters on either side .. the one path to escape and the need to retreat .. which then happened .. just like you were told the official announcement

How you gonna heed the words of the Prophet that you can't see Zoomer ?