...and then I pay my taxes and Congress does as it pleases with it no matter who is in office. IF this is true then GOOD !!! Abortion is a legal medical procedure and should be treated like any other legal medical procedure.
I don't know you from Adam, so there's no point in telling me what you are. Your claim about yourself is irrelevant - no offense intended - after all, we are all anonymous here. What you can do is to provide something that negates my claim. Yes, there is a consensus. https://www.liveaction.org/news/life-begins-at-conception-science-teaches/ Hahahaha - this is where you failed yourself................ and had really given me reasons to doubt your claim about yourself.. Yes, we are talking about a human life - after all, we are talking about humans who have unwanted pregnancies! What do you think a human couple will produce? Do you expect anything else other than a human? So....I'll just ignore the rest of your post.
Having sex without birth control is not a crime. So let's shell out money to pay for all those kids who are born to parents who can't afford them....gee, what a dumb idea...and then we have to listen to righties scream about taxes going to entities such as Welfare that aid CHILDREN. We do it all the time, when corporations are negligent taxpayers pay. But you don't think it's unfair to strip pregnant women of their right to bodily autonomy....odd. Ya, but abortion isn't . Taking away the right to bodily autonomy IS very detrimental to society.... so those who want abortion banned are very detrimental to society. Show me how taking away the basic right of bodily autonomy helps society.....?????? And you STILL haven't done your civic and legal duty and reported these "murders"...tsk, tsk Still not a crime What rights do you want a fetus to have THAT DO NOT INTERFERE WITH ANYONE ELSE'S RIGHTS? Why do you want fetuses to have more rights than anyone else??? So you believe if you think a woman is stupid her rights should be stripped again and her child taken from her???!!!! I think you meet some mighty big resistance from many areas with ridiculous idea.. LOL, now you'll tell me a tale about how many dozens of unwanted kids you've adopted...right? Because there are so many kids in the system that some actually "age out" because Anti-Choicers don't adopt them... No, I didn't come close to suggesting that.....I said(and you avoided) "" ...and why you want children born to stupid people is a mystery....don't you like children?"" "stupid women " was your term....
So if you pay for something then you should have total control over it? Strange. That is called slavery Forcing women to have unwanted children into homes that cannot afford them is very detrimental to society. How is abortion itself detrimental to society? Why does this read like it is the woman’s responsibility for what the male does or doesn’t do? Your posts seem like you want women to make up for the incompetence of males and when they fail they should be punished. That is like saying because a woman got into a car with a man and she didn’t make him not speed it is her fault if they wreck. So many of these posts and the theme always gets picked back on how women need to be punished. Because it has no rights. It is not a sentient organism. It depends on another to exist.
What rights do you want a fetus to have THAT DO NOT INTERFERE WITH ANYONE ELSE'S RIGHTS? Why do you want fetuses to have more rights than anyone else???
The fetus wouldn't be "interfering" in any woman's rights if the woman hasn't created him in the first place. If there's anyone to blame - point the finger at the woman. THERE IS NO JUSTIFIABLE EXCUSE TO LEGISLATE THAT MURDER OF THE UNBORN IS OKAY. Especially now that we're no longer living in the 50's! Science had provided you with tools to prevent pregnancies - why would we want to remain BARBARIC? Why would you want to give the power to stupid people, to be able to murder their children for any reason that they may have?
Comparing someone who's had his brains irreparably destroyed, isn't the same with that of an unborn whose brains is yet to develop. Big difference. (to be continued. got to go)
That has nothing to do with having rights ...or not. What rights do you want a fetus to have THAT DO NOT INTERFERE WITH ANYONE ELSE'S RIGHTS? Why do you want fetuses to have more rights than anyone else??? Blame for what ??? It's not murder. Even stupid people have rights. And they aren't necessarily stupid because you say so.... What rights do you want a fetus to have THAT DO NOT INTERFERE WITH ANYONE ELSE'S RIGHTS? Why do you want fetuses to have more rights than anyone else??? AND you screwed up post # 481......you quoted me as saying what I didn't say...very dishonest
Stop being so subtle and just say it out loud already; you hate that people are enjoying sex because God has said such pleasures are a vice. There is no one to blame for anything. It is not murder and "the unborn" is a stupid term. And one such tool is legal and safe abortions. Why do you want stupid and/or unwilling people to become parents?
What is irrelevant - and mindless nonsense - is you posting falsehoods from an abortion apologist website - none of which addresses the issues brought up in my post - but you would never know because you admittedly ignored the rest of my post. But for Giggles lets look at what you got from some website run by morons - stuff that was already refuted in my previous post. A complete lie - I gave you the 5 different perspectives on when life begins - and that the fellow would have to have refuted the other 4 to make such a claim. But more importantly - we are not talking about "Life" - we are talking about whether or not a human exists. What part of - Just because life exists - does not mean a human exists - do these moron's not understand ? What part of - just because something is an organism - does not make it "A Human" do these moron's not understand ? Nor does having Human DNA make that "organism" "A Human" - although this argument is not moronic - as many confuse the Noun with Descriptive adjective use of the word "Human" - it is false. A single human cell is not a Human. The rest of the gibberish talks about something other than the zygote - what might occur later in the process - does not turn what happens later into what exist now .. projecting future into the past. So - complete fail - just because you can find anything you want on google - does not make those claims true.
We're talking about HUMAN RIGHTS. It applies to all humans. The current Declaration of The Rights of a CHILD is a sham since it changed its position to suit the current preferred politicized narrative from what it previously held in 1959. This is the original: Principle 1 The child shall enjoy all the rights set forth in this Declaration. Every child, without any exception whatsoever, shall be entitled to these rights, without distinction or discrimination on account of race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status, whether of himself or of his family. Principle 2 The child shall enjoy special protection, and shall be given opportunities and facilities, by law and by other means, to enable him to develop physically, mentally, morally, spiritually and socially in a healthy and normal manner and in conditions of freedom and dignity. In the enactment of laws for this purpose, the best interests of the child shall be the paramount consideration. Principle 3 The child shall be entitled from his birth to a name and a nationality. Principle 4 The child shall enjoy the benefits of social security. He shall be entitled to grow and develop in health; to this end, special care and protection shall be provided both to him and to his mother, including adequate pre-natal and post-natal care. The child shall have the right to adequate nutrition, housing, recreation and medical services. https://charterforcompassion.org/declaration-of-the-rights-of-the-child-1959 We cannot have EQUALITY if we can discriminate against anyone, or any particular group. We don't have human rights .................IF AT ANY TIME, anyone or any group can be stripped off his human rights. What we have is a sham!
"""We cannot have EQUALITY if we can discriminate against anyone, or any particular group. We don't have human rights .................IF AT ANY TIME, anyone or any group can be stripped off his human rights.""" But you feel it's OK to discriminate towards pregnant women and strip their rights away.....HOW ODD !! What rights do you want a fetus to have THAT DO NOT INTERFERE WITH ANYONE ELSE'S RIGHTS? Why do you want fetuses to have more rights than anyone else??? WHY can't you answer those questions???
I have yet to figure out how you even do that because it doesn't seem like the standard quote function, which I use. So I must of missed that bit in the editing. I was just citing within the US because about half the time, they try to claim that it was always illegal in the US prior to RvW. Wasn't noting what methods were used for induced abortions.
WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT YOU ARE LIMITED TO USE ONLY ONE TYPE OF CONTRACEPTION? What's wrong with the condom and pill combo? Lol. Look how we deal with Covid. Are you just supposed to rely on frequent hand-washing alone? Let me put it this way: if there's real danger that men's penis will literally fall off if it comes in contact with a certain vaginal virus - hahahaha - I wonder how many precautions a man will make (and to what extent), to prevent that from happening to him? I mean.....we've been given critical thinking, folks. Common sense. There's only one fact that women should keep drumming in their heads: HETEROSEXUAL SEX CAN LEAD TO A PREGNANCY. Therefore, if you don't want to take that risk - TAKE PRECAUTION. Nature won't care why you aren't using precaution. It will just simply take its course.
What a pile of fallacious nonsense. What "Child" - "Unborn what" - Assumed premise fallacy on steroids. The main contention in the abortion debate is wheter or not a human exists. Standing on the stage doing nothing but claiming a human defacto exists "A Child" an "Unborn Human" both of which assume a human exist's .. when you have not supported this claim - There is no justifiable excuse that you have come up with to claim that killing a single human cell is murder. An argument consists of 2 things mate 1) premise - statement of claim 2) evidence or rational that shows this claim is true. get an argument.
Lol. You gave 5 perspectives on when life begins - and then you tell me we're not talking about life! Are you kidding me? I don't know what's so hard to get that you are you, no matter where you are, or.....no matter what stage of your life you are in. Whether you're in your short pants with your runny nose at 2 years old......or an old wrinkled stooped man without any teeth - you're still you! Just because you're still inside the womb doesn't make you any less human. You're you in that stage of development! Okay - answer this: What would be the biological offspring of a human couple?
I believe that was supposed to have been your response. Feel free to correct if not. Best I could do due to the editing. the use of ZEF has nothing to do with whether or not it is a human or a human being. It is the proper specific stages of life. And admittedly it is somewhat misleading is it fails to include the Blastocyst stage. Idiomatic uses of the words aside, the offspring does not become a baby until birth, even if the birth is premature, nor a child until after the toddler stage. Any school related stage labels are culture specific, since schooling is not universal. The ZEF is not symbiotic for sure, for there is nothing that it gives to the mother during the pregnancy. It only takes, which is in deed parasitic in nature. However, being parasitic isn't an automatic negative. Trying to imply otherwise would be another emotional ploy instead of dealing with facts. As far as "personhood" goes, what defines personhood or human being, as opposed to simply human? What makes a cluster of non specialized cells a human being or person? Or something with an undeveloped nervous system and brain that is not yet conscious or aware? Before you can claim that a ZEF is a "person", especially in the Zygote, Blastocyst and Embryo stages, you have to be able to detail the criteria, and show how their applications do not apply to any random given body part, or even a tumor.
Oh my goodness - we're so way past these kind of arguments. Just review my previous posts, please. EH? It's more like a woman got into the car drunk, and inspite of several warnings about accidents in her condition, she still drove anyway. BANG! She hit a deer! Lol - then she goes on blaming the deer!
Science gives 5 different perspectives on when "human life begins" - which is part of all life - but the scientific perspectives relate to "human life" - glad we cleared that up - so you do not make the same mistake. I was mimicking the wording of your laughable nonsense link. Regardless - the moronic website did not even mention the 4 contrary perspectives - never mind refute them proving the nonsense claim "Science Says all life begins at conception" false - but - you still have to show that this form of "human life" is a Human - even if one was to refute the 4 other perspectives. The claim that there is a scientific consensus is a preposterous falsehood. The biological offspring of a human couple is a human - have you yet to figure that out .. or is it the "Which one is not like the other" game that you are having trouble with .. A) Man B) Ape C) Zygote.
You are the only one blaming anyone. We are just saying even if she did make a mistake we shouldn’t let her perish in the car as punishment. My point stands. Treating a woman as a forced slave incubator to the state does more damage to society than abortion could ever imagine
Why can't Anti-Choicers ever answer these questions ?: What rights do you want a fetus to have THAT DO NOT INTERFERE WITH ANYONE ELSE'S RIGHTS? Why do you want fetuses to have more rights than anyone else??? Or any of those "inconvenient" posts ?
