Banning guns = higher crime rate.

With multiple cities and other countries around the world who have seen significant increases in violent crimes due to restrictions on firearms, why do people want so badly to outlaw guns?

Felons break into houses, commit drive by shootings, commit homicide, and they do it while illegally carrying a pistol or other firearm. If you restrict law abiding citizens' abilities to carry weapons, you take the guns out of only the law abiding citizens' hands. The felons will continue to get guns illegally. Why is this such a hard perspective to understand?

I know I'm not the only one who realizes this. And to anyone who'd like to debate, I can give you multiple stats and examples to back this up.

 

I don't think strict gun laws have much to do with whether or not places are violent or not. It's more to do with whether or not the culture breeds violence. I've pointed out that Japan has very strict gun laws and Sweden (?) requires that your family owns a gun, both are more peaceful than us in terms of homicide. States with stricter gun laws more likely have stricter gun laws as a response to the violent culture that the area witnesses. You can point out that lower murder rate states have looser gun laws, but more likely they have looser gun laws because they haven't felt the need to make them stricter because they are already relatively less violent.

 

The higher crime rates in Australia, England and Great Briton are all directly connected to gun restrictions.

 

How so?

 

“Australia and England have already banned personal ownership of guns, but it hasn’tmade their countries any
safer. In Australia violent crime is up in every category. From1997-1999, murders rose 6.5 percent and attempted
murders 12.5 percent. Increases in assaults, kidnappings, and armed robberies also increased.”
Gregg Jackson

"Australia: Readers of the USA Today newspaper discovered in 2002 that, "Since Australia's 1996 laws banning most guns and making it a crime to use a gun defensively, armed robberies rose by 51%, unarmed robberies by 37%, assaults by 24% and kidnappings by 43%. While murders fell by 3%, manslaughter rose by 16%." Dr. John R. Lott, Jr

"Canada: After enacting stringent gun control laws in 1991 and 1995, Canada has not made its citizens any safer. "The contrast between the criminal violence rates in the United States and in Canada is dramatic," says Canadian criminologist Gary Mauser in 2003. "Over the past decade, the rate of violent crime in Canada has increased while in the United States the violent crime rate has plummeted." Gary A. Mauser, "The Failed Experiment: Gun Control and Public Safety in Canada, Australia, England and Wales," Public Policy Sources (The Fraser Institute, November 2003), no. 71:4. This study can be accessed at http://www.fraserinstitute.org/shared/readmore.asp?sNav=pb&id=604.

England: According to the BBC News, handgun crime in the United Kingdom rose by 40% in the two years after it passed its draconian gun ban in 1997.

You mentioned Japan....

"Japan: One newspaper headline says it all: Police say "Crime rising in Japan, while arrests at record low." "Crime rising in Japan, while arrests at record low: police," AFP News (August 3, 2001); "A crime wave alarms Japan, once gun-free," The Philadelphia Inquirer, 11 July 1992.

 

Tell that to those just killed and injured in Colorado. Even armed security staff could do nothing to save them.

 

Most people in CO. Would agree with the OP.

We're not so stupid as to squish the GOD given right of self defense of 300,000,000 people for the actions of the criminally insane VAST minority.


Stick to shagging sheep because you don't know anything about guns.

 

Lol. Carry on with your insane murdering of oner another. We ban handguns and have a death rate many-fold lower than yours. And hardly any murders involve guns.

How would you account for that?

PS My sheep says Hi.

 

How many people live in NZ, 5?

We are a nation of over 300,000,000. There are a lot of variables that go into crime and why it happens.


Russia and Mexico have extremely strict gun laws and their murder rates dwarf the US. Tjhe city of Chicago has extremely strict gun control, a lot of good its done them.

People will kill if they want to kill. But you arent smart enough to realize that, even though you think you are.

 

We're not smart, eh?

So it's you smart Yanks that think it's cool to pop one another in movie theatres? Yeah, we're too dumb to think of that.

 

It's not a crime to use a gun defensively in Australia.

 

those are the facts I see as of now. anything to refute them?

 

It is legal in Australia to defend yourself.

 

What I meant was...are there any other arguments you have? The original question was the connection between the gun ban and violent crimes. I feel that I've provided a substantial amount of facts to prove my case.

 

The murder rate in the US is a hell of a higher than Australia's.

And it's a fact that you can defend yourself in Australia. The law says you are allowed to use reasonable force to defend yourself or others.

 

To compare the crime rate in Australia to the crime rate in the US isn't practical. The population in Australia is 22,620,600, compared to 311,591,917 in the US. source: World Bank

As to the self defense subject, since it seems that we've now changed to that discussion, in Australia there is no "stand your ground," as there is in the States. I'm not completely positive what the person was saying when they used the words "illegal to defend yourself," however, it is a gray area in the law.

"Broadly speaking, self-defence is raised as evidence in matters where the person has committed an offence against another person resulting from a personal attack, or an attack on another party." http://www.findlaw.com.au/articles/4542/australian-self-defence-laws-in-criminal-matters.aspx

Here, stand your ground laws protect citizens from ever being charged. In Australia, self defense is only used as a defense after the person has been charged and is in court. This essentially means that even if you're acting in self-defense, you're going to court. This could be interpreted as being "illegal," because you are charged regardless. Also, you cannot just "use a gun." You have to use force that is necessary to your situation. If you use a gun to ward off a knife wielding robber, self-defense will not work so well.

 

The cops can decide not to charge you. A prosecutor can decide it's not worth going to court over since it's an obvious case of self defence. That's how it works.

If they have a knife they can kill you so it's reasonable to use force that can kill them. That's what reasonable force means.

 

And you're telling me that Stand Your Ground will protect that guy who went over his neighbour's house, with a gun, to tell them to turn the music down and when his neighbour saw that he was armed told him to go away or he'd get his gun and so the guy screamed out, "I'm holding my ground!" and shot his neighbour.

Come on, there is no law that will always protect 100% of people who think that they fall under it.

 

Prove it. Flick us a couple of links.

 

It may also be because of differences in reporting.

From what I've read in Australia in crime statistics under assaults threatening someone (which is what assault is) is counted along with actual violence, whereas in the US this doesn't appear to be the case. This means when comparing assaults Australia's appears to be quite a bit higher, but since we're counting people who were dobbed on by the police for telling someone that they'd punch them if they don't (*)(*)(*)(*) off whereas in the US it seems that they only count it if the person actually punches them...............

Just what I've read.

In the US they read that in the year after the 1996 gun buy back the crime rate in Victoria shot up 400%, which was total bull(*)(*)(*)(*), but it was reported in the US as actually happened.

 

Australia's gun homicides is about 0.30 per 100,000.
America's is 2.97 per 100,000.

Does your maths add up?

Look,,, this is what I believe. It's not the guns.

Take the guns, knives, baseball bats, broken bottles, stick and stones out of American society, and Americans will find new ways of killing each other. There is something desperately wrong in this society.

 

By the way, I'm for allowing law abiding citizens to own firearms.

 

From all causes there are about 300 or so murders in Australia each year. If we take the city of Chicago, which has something like 1/10th of Australia's population, it gets more than all of Australia.

 

Yeah. Its called liberalism.

Examples; Detroit, Chicago and soon to be the entire country.


Liberal politics are whats wrong with America.

A nation that claims to be 'one nation under God' and then embraces liberal policies such as allowing sodomites and pedophiles to run the military, pentagon and presidency will not stand.

God doesnt like hypocrites.

 

Any citations?