Barack HUSSEIN Obama is finished

Dan40 must have missed my earlier post proving his bogus claim that Medicare has 150,000 pages of regulation was bull(*)(*)(*)(*) number pulled out of thin air.

So I'll re-post it here:

Proof from an official cite that the *entire* code of federal regulations has 163,000 pages it it, covering ALL US government regulations, and therefore there is no way that Medicare alone could possibly be anywhere near 150,000 pages.

Funny though that he demands others cite to an official source, when you totally failed to cite any source, let alone an official one, proving his claim.

My official source should put to bed any further discussion about his bogus claim. Maybe he'll actually read it this time.

 

so you can't find anything to back up the numbers you pulled from thin air?

 

Exactly. When I pressed him for a source for this 150,000 page claim he could only link a websie that only had mayb 100-200 pages in it.

See my prior post Dan40 just ignores because the FACT from an OFFICIAL SOURCE completely destroys his claim.

There are a *total* of 163,000 pages of all Federal regulations. Medicare is only one of many things covered by federal regulations and so the total number of Medicare regulations would only be a small fraction of that number.

I read from a couple sources that that actual number of pages of code and regulations is below 3000.

He just pulled the number out of thin air. Or just barfed up more RW propaganda like we see here so often.

 

I don't suppose you have a link to any of these numbers you pulled from thin air?

 

I gave you a link to a very tiny part of the regs. In your determined effort to deny reality and look horrendously foolish, you extrapolate that tiny part like it was the entire Medicare Regs. It barely scratches the surface. Try looking into Medicare CODING. That will give you a factor more regs and still won't be a major part. If you wish to bury your head in the liberal mud, and deny reality and call me a liar, GO AHEAD. Why would I care about the misguided opinion of one to afraid to learn? You spout liberal lie after liberal lie. You manipulate numbers to make Democrats look good and Republicans look bad and it is all lies. You have zero credibility, so prattle on with your partisan lies. I guess it keeps your cellar feeling warm and cozy.

See if you can find these numbers:

Medicare expenditures 2010, $560,000,000,000.00

People covered by Medicare, 47,000,000.

expenditures/participants= $11,914.89.

And WHEN will the Medicare trust go broke according the the US Govt Medicare Trustees? In 2011, the Trustees said 2037. then later in 2011, they said 2034. Now in 2012, last week, the Trustees said Medicare Trust fund will be exhausted in 2032. But keep your head deeply buried in the liberal mud. Reality is much too fearsome for any liberal to deal with. Us big boys will eventually solve the problem for you and you can continue in your fantasies.

 

Nice attempt at diversion.

The issue is your bogus claim that there are 150,000 pages of Medicare regs.

Which we've now proved is a number which was just pulled out of thin air.

 

You've proved that reality makes you soil your pants. And that you insist in living in a delusional world. WE KNEW ALL THAT.

 

to be erroneously confused that insanity can be defined by some psychobabble is ridiculous

psychobabble |ˈsīkōˌbabəl| noun informal, derogatory jargon used in popular psychology

 

And now the typical resort to ad hom insults.

Just the type of "evidence" we'd expect from Dan40.

He sits there demanding proof from official sources from others. But, while it comes to his bogus "facts" he pulls out of his ass, the only evidence he offers are ad hom insults. And then he simply ignores official data which proves he was totally wrong and starts with the diversions and insults. What a joke.

 

LoL, this thread has gone from college records, to race, to housing, and now medicare....I'm waiting for the next argument to be that Obama is a "doodie head".

 

Not a dodge at all, go educate YOURSELF and read the bill and how the whole system works. Where did you get the simplistic notion that it is all spelled out in just one single provision? It is 2500 pages long.

I have provided several analysis you have yet to refute. When you can let me know.

 

IOW you can't refute what has been posted...................gotcha

 

How is it not relevant, panels will determine what is covered and what isn't. Panels will tell insurance companies what they must provide in their government approved policies. Panels will tell private employers what they must provide to the their employees. Panels will tell doctors what they can or can't do. The government will come after you if you seek private treatment out of your own pocket. Government will fine you if you do not enroll in the government mandated medical care.

What isn't nationalization out of all of that?

 

Where is the diversion. Its all part of the Medicare problem. You liberals lie that R&R want to end Medicare, yet you have not put forth a word about saving it other than to lie about Republican PROPOSALS. PROPOSALS, a STARTING point.

And here is the last info I'm allowing lazy liberals to have as a gift. If you wish to continue deluding yourself that all is well. Go ahead.

Try researching CMS puplications

Publication # 06
09
10
11
12
13
14
15-1
15-2
19
21
23
27
29
45
81

All CMS manuals.

Here is a bit of #06

http://www.cms.gov/Regulations-and-Guidance/Guidance/Transmittals/downloads/R60FM.pdf

And 09,

http://www.cms.gov/Regulations-and-Guidance/Guidance/Transmittals/downloads/R3COM.pdf

And we haven't even touched coding yet.

Here is a taste:

http://www.cms.gov/Medicare/Coding/...x.html?redirect=/ICD9ProviderDiagnosticCodes/

CMS regulations even tell providers what hours they MUST man their telephones!

Like obanaSCAM tells businesses what a full time employee is. For most businesses an FTE is a 40 hour employee, or a 38 hr. or even a 35hr. Not many consider a 30 hr worker as full time. obamaSCAM mandates that 30 hours is a FTE and health insurance must be provided or pay a multi thousand dollar fine.

And we are still barely scratching the surface.

 

Because none of that has to do with the term "nationalization" at all.

Nationalization refers to the process of a government taking control of a company or industry, which can occur for a variety of reasons. When nationalization occurs, the former owners of the companies may or may not be compensated for their loss in net worth and potential income.

Obamacare does just the opposite- Obamacare will provide millions of new customers for the private insurance industry.

Read more: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/n/nationalization.asp#ixzz290Ohnbc2

Panels already determine what is covered and what is not covered. Government has told insurance companies what they must provide for a long time- this is part of the government industry regulation.

And of course it is just a typical far rightwing propaganda to say that government panels will tell doctors what they can or can't do. Just as it is typical far rightwing propaganda that the government will come after you if you seek private treatment.

And government will indeed fine you if you refuse to enroll in any health insurance program- which is exactly what Romney implemented in Massachusetts.

So once again how is this relevant to the crazy far right claim that Obamacare is Nationalization of Health care?

 

another pathetic dodge noted. the bill is not 2500 pages long. let me know when you can back up your statement, until then, I accept your conession.

there is nothing to refute. you are imagining your baseless assertions are fact, and you run and hide when challenged to back them up.

 

there's nothing to refute. the onus is on HIM to prove HIS claim. I called him out on it, and he ran away, just like you continue to run away.

 

Just like your insurance company does now.

this is the third time you've made this baseless statement. I've asked you to cite the portion of the bill where this can be found. back it up, or admit you made it up.

no, they will tax you.

none of that is nationalization

 

Exactly as I described.

 

nothing you described is nationalization.

 

"[1] You may have heard that Obamacare is 2,000+ pages in length. Technically it is, or better, it was. While in bill form, the Obamacare statutes were a total of 2,471 pages long. Congressional bills have wide margins and are double spaced. The page counts in our first paragraph are more conservative as they are based on the number of pages in the Government Printing Office’s version of the Obamacare Statutes available at http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-111publ148/pdf/PLAW-111publ148.pdf and http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-111publ152/pdf/PLAW-111publ152.pdf.
[2] http://spectator.org/archives/2010/06/04/the-empress-of-obamacare.
[3] This includes 49 documents such as requests for information, advance notices of proposed rulemakings, proposed rules, interim final rules and final rules, and some notices. We excluded, however, many regulation documents which were only in part affected by the Obamacare statues."[/QUOTE]

Enjoy being pointlessly argumentative?

My post and cites...............still waiting.

 

Still waiting for you to refute my cites.

 

If I wrote post every time I waited for you to refute mine I'd have a million posts by now.

 

Great- glad you have conceded that Obamacare has nothing to do with Nationalization.