Believer in the official version of 9/11 looking for hard proof of a conspiracy

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  1. jmpet

    jmpet New Member

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    Don't waste my time with babble- I want facts- or interesting questions asked. I want theories and ideas. I am one-minded on this, but part of being open minded is listening to the other side's argument, so I will entertain you all.

    Keep in mind I did my own 9/11 conspiracy research years ago and found no conspiracy, so I am well-versed in the topic. Even hard entire volumes of 9/11 sites that aren't up anymore- mostly text with images somewhere so I took a hard interest at one point.

    So tell me your version of 9/11.
     
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    suede Banned

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    Patriot911 New Member Past Donor

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    Good luck. I've yet to see a truther with actual evidence of anything. They like to pretend opinion = evidence and that lies are OK as long as they are against the government, the Jews and/or the boogieman du jour. Occasionally you'll get someone with real questions, but usually they resolve themselves into a hard core truther with no interest in answers to their questions if they are not the answers they wanted.
     
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    Patriot911 New Member Past Donor

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    This is a prime example of what I am talking about. These numerous threads are all silly games suede plays. Give him evidence and he denies it. Give him eyewitnesses and he will come up with silly excuses like "no reporter saw him in the hole, therefore he is not a good witness". Back him into a corner and suddenly he will develop amnesia and demand links and start the whole process over. Engage if you will, but it is an excercise in futility.
     
  5. suede

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    jmpet, I'll quickly explain what going on here in this thread.

    The reason that a 757 crashed in the Shanksville field, but there doesn't seem to be that much debris left behind that amounts to a large 757 is NOT because most of the pieces "obliterated" into nothing. The FBI claims they later recovered 95% of plane, so that right there shows officials are saying practically all of the plane survived, albeit in pieces.

    The reason that so little of the plane looks to be left is that supposedly MOST OF THE PLANE buried deep in the ground. One claim is that it was 80% of the plane. I'm serious. That's what they are saying!

    But if you objectively look at the evidence, you notice that there is a severe lack of evidence that supports that most of the plane buried. At best, the only evidence of anything buried represents less then 1% of the plane, one engine and two black boxes, and that's going on the assumption those pieces were really dug out of the ground.

    So basically they are saying about 80% of the plane got buried, but the evidence only shows less than 1% got buried. Do the math!
     
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    I don't buy into that whole sub-fact/conspiracy. The plane went down PERIOD. Everyone's DNA was at the site- try to fake that!
     
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    :shock:

    Oh yeah, that's un-fakeable. Just look at all the photos that show DNA spread all over the place at the scene. :lol:
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Said the guy who also said "I just want to state for the record that I think that anybody that's claiming a 757 buried in the Shanksville field is a LIAR."

    Photographs are not the only evidence of the recovery of a 757 in Shanksville. You've been given the contact information of the people who were present. I suggest you contact them and listen to their testimony objectively.
     
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    suede Banned

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    How's that most of Flight 93 buried proof going?
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why would you expect to see DNA in a photo taken during the recovery?
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why don't you check your thread and find out?
     
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    suede Banned

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    Obviously you missed the point of my post.

    Not going good for you guys. Not going good at all.
     
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    This is what I am talking about- offhand one-liners that mean nothing.
     
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    jmpet New Member

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    Why not just say it?!!!
     
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    suede Banned

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    He can't. He has no evidence Flight 93 mostly buried as is the claim and that he believes. Sad, really.
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He's been given access to the evidence he demands multiple times in numerous threads dedicated to the topic. I don't see any reason to turn this thread into yet another "suede ignores evidence thread."
     
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    There has to be evidence supplied first before I can "ignore" it.
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Case in point.
     
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    So are you going to supply any evidence and see if I ignore it?
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Photographs are not the only evidence of the recovery of a 757 in Shanksville. You've been given the contact information of the people who were present. I suggest you contact them and listen to their testimony objectively.
     
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    Really? Well why don't you supply this other "mystery" evidence in the other thread? Failure to do so only makes you look like you don't have any evidence.
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why would I have evidence? I wasn't involved in the recovery. You've been given the contact information of the folks who were. I suggest you contact them.
     
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    Thanks for admitting you have no evidence that most of Flight 93 buried. Funny you believe in something you have no evidence for!
     
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    DDave Well-Known Member

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    That's classic suede.

    You can see the same pattern repeated over and over again in the six threads he started on the subject.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/9-11/182383-heres-good-one.html
    http://www.politicalforum.com/9-11/212735-tried-contacting-shanksville-sources-no-dice.html
    http://www.politicalforum.com/9-11/214637-still-no-contact-shanksville-sources.html
    http://www.politicalforum.com/9-11/...-lacking-claim-most-flight-93-had-buried.html
    http://www.politicalforum.com/9-11/...ly-lacking-flight-93-mostly-buried-claim.html
    http://www.politicalforum.com/9-11/222469-how-fast-can-skeptics-prove-most-flight-93-buried.html

    I'll say one thing for ol' suede. At least he is consistent.
     

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