Ben Carson: U.S. shouldn't elect a Muslim president

They don't have DIs at Pendleton They do have instructors. I was a PMI(Primary Marksmanship Instructor) but not a DI. Most DIs are staioned at our boot camps in Parris Island and San Diego as well as Quantico and Pensacola that I know of . I guess to civilians all instructors are the same

DIs train recruits not Marines

The day your DIs call you a Marine is the proudest day of your life

 

Indeed. To expose them is impolitic, to hold them is impious.

 

Did they at the time? Or maybe I mis-remembered, have it wrong, and he was just an instructor. Anyway, he was a Marine and spent much of his time at Pendleton. I was a civvie but want to give the guy his due. As best I know, he never popped a guy in the jaw, which, I suspect, is something only DIs did. He and I touched base two weeks ago but not about that.

 

Respect and reverence for this below is absurd.

[3.151] We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.

[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.(*)

[2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah...(*)

2.216] Fighting is enjoined on you, and h is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know.

[2.246] ...May it not be that you would not fight if fighting is ordained for you? They said: And what reason have we that we should not fight in the way of Allah, and we have indeed been compelled to abandon our homes and our children. But when fighting was ordained for them, they turned back, except a few of them, and Allah knows the unjust.

[3.169] And reckon not those who are killed in Allah's way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord;

[4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.

[4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.

[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

[9.111] Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain;(*)

[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

[47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them

 

Yes Pendleton is full of Instructors. I went there for final infantry training before being sent to west pac. Its like when you hear civilians speak about guys in the army going to boot camp. The Army does not have boot camp. They have basic training. If you saw me wearing this you would imagine Im a DI



I believe in this picture its the Marine wearing the campaign hat is a DI while the one with the Pith helmet is a PMI. When I was in both wore the campaign hat

 

Wow. Who is the Muslim American that is a candidate for the presidency that says such things?

 

OK this will be the third time I've asked this question, so let's see if you can stop avoiding it. What is the import of Article 6 on Carson's personal decision on using religion to help decide whether or not he votes for someone? Is it possible that you actually think that Article 6's religious test is something that's applied to someone's personal decision on whom to vote for? Because as dumb as that idea is, that's the only conclusion that I can draw as to why you think Article 6 is important to this conversation. So let's give that another try shall we?

Again, purposefully avoiding the question. You brought up the African American vote into this. It wasn't even a part of the issue of Carson not voting for a Muslim until you brought it up. So what does the number of African American votes Carson could get have to do with voting for a Muslim?

 

My evidence is this thread. Liberals come to defend Islam, ready with their anti Christian rhetoric. Makes no sense when Islam is everything you say you hate about Christianity. Crap on them both.

 

You could have read beyond the first sentence of my first post you quoted to see that I do not support Islam. Wake up, people.

 

For a fella never that close to the military, I got some great stories. Like growing up on a street with 12-13 West Point grads who were attached to Ft. Huachuca and attended the U of Arizona to get their Masters degrees in Electrical Engineering. Turned out they were all spooks. The DoD rented the houses for them in a new subdivision at the time. They knew when we'd be getting home from school and hijack us to play touch football in the street. The scars never go away. That was their break time from the books. Great guys, tho. Taught us how to tie single and double windsor knots, polish our wingtips, be courteous around girls, all that stuff.

 

I read the entire post I was responding to.

And I did read the OTHER post to the end. And my point remains the same in my response to THAT post. I did miss that both posts were from you

 

Id like to ask that question to Fiorina as well. I saw a Fox News talking head bring up the same Constitutional provision when discussing Ben's comment, implying that it applied to Bens decision. Its absurd

 

Sometimes I think the establishment right get's it's talking points from the same places that the left does.

 

Fox has a lean to the right compared to all other TV media, but they are still the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing stupid media sometimes.

 

Do you think beheading is cruel and unusual punishment? How about cutting off the hand of a pick pocket? If your hypothetical Muslim supports Shari'a law he will not. Nor will he have a problem with honor killings. What bothers me is the number of leftist who have a hissy fit every time a Christians says he or she thinks gay Marriage is wrong but claims to be willing to vote for a Muslim whose religion has, apparently, little or no problem with Muslims trying to teach gays how o fly without any visible means of support.

 

They will be kill for following the Bible they will be kill for not following the Bible might as well follow the Bible.

 

Yes. On the surface that makes no sense. Yet it is obviously true. There has to be other factors that explain this weird Left-Islam alignment in sympathy and outlook.

Frankly its kind of dumb on the Left's part. Everywhere Islam gains power, they show no mercy or special consideration to the Left.

POLL: Most U.S. Muslims would trade Constitution for Shariah...

http://www.drudgereport.com/

 

They love to hate America as much as the Islamist do.

 

They loved Mao and Stalin too, and Mao and Stalin slaughtered the "intellectuals" by the millions. I think maybe something is screwed up with their basic instincts of self-preservation. And if that is the case, obviously these are not the folks we want setting policy.

 

It's because they are obsessed with Christianity. Islam is a cynical way for Leftists to poke fun at Christian and Jewish beliefs because they are so similar to Islam's. Islam's jihad against the world is a cynical way for Leftists to remind Christians of the horrors of their religion's rise to prominence.

It just never gets to the point in the Liberal's mind where they see Islam as the upcoming incarnation of the very same evil Christianity has already dealt the West. The exact thing they are forever complaining about, even though the modern version is relatively benign.

 

And of course they ignore the hundreds of millions collectively murdered by the atheists like Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro and Che'.

And these murderous thugs always killed the leftwing academics first.

I think I nailed it. Their instincts of self-preservation are completely twisted into self-destruction. These are the very last folks that should be setting government policy for anyone. They can't feed themselves, they can't defend themselves. They know how to build nothing. They can bad-mouth and talk down and whine and complain and stir up strife.

That's about it. Mao and Stalin put them in gulags and slowly starved them to death by the multiple millions. I do not support that approach.

 

The Koran, the word of Allah himself according to Muslims, says such things. That's why we see so many muslims today who are compelled to "fight", "kill", "slay" and "smite the necks" of the unbelievers "until...religion should only be for Allah", because religion is not yet only for Allah

 

No, neither the Koran nor the Old Testament are running for president.

(I wouldn't ever vote for either because they both have lots of weird stuff.)

 

No one claimed they are. The Koran "says such things". Not a presidential candidate. The question asked of Ben Cason was a hypothetical question. There is no Muslim running for President.

 

And you think the Old Testament is about love and care?

Not all Muslims share the desire to turn America into Sharia law. The fact he claimed originally that no Muslim should be president was just plain ignorance and fear on his part.

The simple part is there should be NO president that holds their religion higher than the constitution of the U.S.

We are NOT a theocracy and therefore there will be laws and freedoms allowed that go against a person's religion. We cannot and should not ever have a president that is willing to tear down freedoms in name of their religion.