Berkeley Antifa Protest Turns Violent As ‘Anti-Fascists’ Swarm Park [VIDEO]

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  1. FrankCapua

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    The police need to wade in and subdue and arrest every one of them they can get their hands on.

    Unfortunately the police have to some extent been emasculated by the media focus and the number of unfortunate and unnecessary police shooting of young black men.
     
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    A tree is known by the fruit it bears. A tree that bears fascist fruit is a fascist tree, regardless of what it calls itself. Remember this, and you will gain wisdom.
     
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    SIgh.... why do they never pull this stuff down here? A decent sized group of my friends from high school would have a field day with that Antfa rabble. Those are the guys that used to get taped to benches and goal posts back in the day...
     
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    And given all the information provided, you have an opportunity to clearly state antifa's unprovoked violent actions also gives you the creeps. It's the perfect chance to back up your general claims that you denounce all violence.
     
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    Having read Orwell's book, 1984, you just reminded me of one of the pro gov't characters from that book, which strangely and surreally turned into an accurate book of prophesy. You would, using 1984 terminology are an example of Newspeak in action. Where contradictory terms are paired, in order to render irrationality understood by the people there, to be perfectly rational. Or course you did not pair contradictory words, but carried through in the principle of Newspeak. That is, if I understood your words correctly.

    If you are being serious, which I hope not, what you said would also pertain to parents who spoke those same words about the Nazis in Germany long ago.

    Personally, since according to the Princeton Study, we lost our republic to an elite ruled oligarchy, fascism, I think all of the people involved in destroying our republic and giving us fascism are bad people. And that should be self evident.
     
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    There's a law on the books allowing corrupt tyrants to lock up reporters for speaking ill of him?

    As I said, government-worshiprs do love that man. He's the epitome of anti-liberty. He would be more at home in King George's service than in a free USA. And, you are all too willing to give up your freedom, and mine, for a promise of temporary security from those tyrants. Your brand of patriotism stinks.
     
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    And it fails to exercise that power. You know me, had it been me, I would've annihilated these groups at Ferguson. That's what SHOULD have happened. Had they been annihilated at Ferguson, they wouldn't be crawling our streets today. We're infested with a bunch of unintelligent cockroaches.
     
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    Antifa and ,unfortunately a good number of the left, don't agree with you.
     
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    You second sentence contradicts your first.
     
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    Yes you have. You have made it clear that that speech you don't like is not to be allowed.
     
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    I despise what white supremacists and neo-nazis have to say, but in this country they have the right to say it.
     
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    Can I just say 'Word'. These disgraceful low lives make America look like a third world country and do tremendous damage to America. That our politicians couldn't even condemn them in the same breath, is further proof of the decline. And yes, it invokes feelings of hatred even if one philosophically knows that makes me the same as them.

    But I feel they deserve it. They're ungrateful for being born in this country. Donald is attributed to saying one thing I agree with: "Being born in America is winning the lottery."
     
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    Well known Bay Area TV personality, Frank Somerville - KTVU anchor - took to Facebook this weekend to explain what happened to him when he took a day trip to Berkeley


    I experienced hate first hand today... It came from these people dressed in all black at a protest in Berkeley.


    Ironically they were all chanting about NO hate.

    Some had shields and gloves. Some had helmets. Some had gas masks.

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    I was watching them and taking it all in. I came there on my own time. Because I wanted to see things first hand. I was dressed in shorts and a tank top.

    At one point I took out my phone to take a picture. And that's when it all happened. (And just to be clear they were playing for the cameras in front but I was toward the back. And since there were already so many people taking their picture I didn't think it would be an issue.)


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    I took these two pictures and afterward they started screaming at me. I thought for sure they were going to attack. I was just waiting for it. I wasn't scared.

    But I stayed calm even though I thought this may not end well for me. Here's how the conversation went (and as you're reading this keep in mind that they were yelling at me and their words were filled with venom, anger, hate and intolerance.)

    There's just no other way to describe it. I was stunned.

    Them: Hey! No pictures or we'll take your phone!!! (At that point I'd already taken these shots)

    Me (In calm voice): You're on public property and I can take a picture if I want to.

    Them: Oh so you're a big man with a camera?

    Me: No I just wanted to take a picture and talk with you.

    Them (rushing toward me): We outnumber you and we will take your camera!

    Me: You're not going to take my camera and you're not going to tell me what to do. Why can't we just have a respectful conversation. (I then touched one of them on her hand to say it's okay I just want to talk)

    Them: Don't touch me!!

    Me: I'm not trying to do anything. I just want to try to understand and have a respectful conversation.

    Them: We'll block your shot!!!

    Me: That's fine. All I wanted to do was have a conversation.

    Them: Now is not the time. (In fairness he was the one person who was respectful)

    Then as I started to walk away a woman started screaming at me saying: We're not interested in talking to you!! We're not interested in talking to you!!

    I walked away stunned. I grew up in Berkeley. I marched in anti-war protests during the sixties.

    Its one thing to read about HATE, It's another thing to be right next to it.

    In my opinion, these people dressed in black are just as hateful and intolerant as the people they are protesting against.

    Afterward I was talking to several other protesters. (Not dressed in black)

    One of them actually stood up for me as the people dressed in black were threatening me. I was touched. They were just as disappointed as I was. They said that the people dressed in black represent a small minority and that they "hijack" the protests.

    And I agree. MOST of the people out there today in Berkeley were non-violent.

    They were there for the cause. They just wanted to come out and stand up against hate. I totally support them. But I do not support extremists, whether they are on the right or the left.

    Hate is hate. And I experienced it first hand today. It was sad to see
     
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    Sounds like antifa to me.
     
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    If you support antifa, you support violence. Period.
     
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    LOL, spoken like someone who has led a very sheltered life protected by other people. Explains your exceptionally naïve posts.
     
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    Trump should hold a rally at Berkeley California.
    Everyone with an American Flag who likes the slogan: " Make America Great Again", should converge on Berkeley.
    Lets see if the Governor of California, will try to stop that rally.
    Lets just find out once and for all, if the President of the USA, is free to visit any city in the USA, and have a rally of supporters accompany him, or does Antifa and the anarcho syndicalists created by Noam Chomsky, supported and funded by the Judenrat atheist George Soros, dictate, by threat of violent protest, where and to whom, the USA President can speak.
     
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    While the Leftwing Haters of Antifa are hating: Real Americans are pulling together and saving one another


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    Here's more:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2017/08/28/antifa-chants-berkeley-no-trump-no-wall-no-usa/

    Antifa Chants At Berkeley: “No Trump, No Wall, No USA At All”
    ALLAHPUNDITPosted at 9:21 pm on August 28, 2017

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    It’s exceptionally stupid to proclaim yourself literally anti-American when some of your fellow travelers on the left are working hard to portray you as defending American values from the alt-right. But then, most radicals are exceptionally stupid.

    SEE ALSO: US-backed SDF commander: ISIS to get evicted from Raqqa in two months?

    The majority of liberal defenses of Antifa thus far are of the “anti-anti” rather than “pro” variety. You don’t see much in the “Antifa is great!” vein but you do see some in the “alt-right is awful, therefore Antifa blah blah” vein. But maybe that’s changing. “Heroic” sounds pretty pro to me:


    [Twitter posts]
    Right, right, Toure’s just one guy, but when someone mainstream enough to have hosted a show on MSNBC is making apologies for Antifa head-cracking, that’s a hint that the movement has a foothold among garden-variety liberals. There are still plenty of lefties who denounce the violence, of course, although their reasoning can be creative. Beating someone up for saying something foul is wrong only because … the speaker wants you to?

    I believe that if you look both historically and in practice, when you have widespread street brawling between “good” groups and “bad” groups it almost always ends up being a victory for the fascist groups. This is for a number of reasons. First is that these groups have historically used the presence of civil violence to justify “law and order” crackdowns which usually empower and propagate authoritarian politics. You can already see this, tendentiously, in those hideous NRA video hate screeds. Again, history tells us this and I think it’s close to intuitive: breakdowns of civil peace lead to authoritarian crackdowns, which almost always have a right-wing and often racist valence.

    In a related but more general sense, it is precisely the aim of fascistic groups to shift the basis of civic dialog, space and politics from law to violence. To put it another way, they are trying to shift the basis of society and power from law, voting, equality to force, violence and the domination of the most powerful. And in this case we mean power as expressed by the superior ability to wield violence. Once we’ve moved from one to the other, fascists have to a significant degree already won. The Nazis and white supremacists are literally trying to create a “both sides” situation. We should not help them.
    As Alex Griswold says, this argument boils down to the idea that anti-fascist violence is bad simply because it’s counterproductive. Presumably all you’d need to do to flip the calculus from bad to good is convince the left that it isn’t. Make them believe that they can make the alt-right, and eventually the mainstream right (whom they frequently dismiss as thinly veiled racists or fascists), go away by cracking enough heads and the case against violence would evaporate. The morality of silencing ideas through force seemingly isn’t relevant. “Nazis deserve to get punched,” Josh Marshall goes on to say in the piece quoted above, matter of factly. Whether the Nazis are speaking, demonstrating, or actually attacking people apparently isn’t a material distinction.

    Another problem: Who’s a “Nazi” isn’t always, or usually, clear.

    Their faces hidden behind black bandannas and hoodies, about 100 anarchists and antifa— “anti-fascist” — members barreled into a protest Sunday afternoon in Berkeley’s Martin Luther King Jr. Civic Center Park.

    Jumping over plastic and concrete barriers, the group melted into a larger crowd of around 2,000 that had marched peacefully throughout the sunny afternoon for a “Rally Against Hate” gathering.

    Shortly after, violence began to flare. A pepper-spray-wielding Trump supporter was smacked to the ground with homemade shields. Another was attacked by five black-clad antifa members, each windmilling kicks and punches into a man desperately trying to protect himself. A conservative group leader retreated for safety behind a line of riot police as marchers chucked water bottles, shot off pepper spray and screamed, “Fascist go home!”
    “Black-clad antifa members attack peaceful right-wing demonstrators in Berkeley,” WaPo’s arresting headline runs. By Marshall’s logic, whether that attack was warranted or not depends on whether it made the right-wingers who got stomped more or less susceptible to believing in white supremacy. If they were “scared straight” into not associating with the alt-right going forward, mission accomplished.

    At Reason, Nick Gillespie makes a sharp point not just about Antifa but about the broader left: “Any group that claims ‘hate speech is not free speech’ is going to become not just censorious but violent pretty quickly.” In theory neo-Nazis and white supremacists are a special case that deserve to be met with violence since they’ve practiced violence themselves on an enormous scale in the past, but it requires only the tiniest logical step to extend that reasoning to “hate speech” of any sort. After all, today’s run-of-the-mill bigot risks becoming tomorrow’s Klansman if he isn’t disabused of his beliefs by whatever means necessary. Some polls will tell you that more than half of all Democrats believe “hate speech” should be illegal; the more mainstream the defenses of Antifa become, the more support for criminal action against “haters” will bleed into support for vigilante action. You already see it with Antifa itself. Without a strong ethic that political violence is always wrong when directed at people behaving nonviolently, you’ll see it break out of the fringe.

    Hector Morenco @hectormorenco
    Antifa's war cry, "No Trump, no wall, no USA at all!" Victory for Antifa would be the destruction of society.
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    Then we have reached agreement. Have a nice day
     
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    Seems a rather weak link to draw. There must be something greater at play.
     
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    They may think the ends justify the means but Antifa are a bunch of extremists with many of them very violent. No one on the left should want to show up in a protest
    with the Antifa thugs.

    They have something in common with the kkk or at least kkk of the past. They hide their faces. Whether it is an extremist group from anywhere
    on the political spectrum, this should be made illegal so police can more easily make arrests of lawbreakers and fairly easily prove it in court with cameras..

    The answer is pretty easy for dealing with neo-Nazis and Antifa types. Law enforcement/FBI needs to infiltrate both groups and arrest people very quickly who
    get violent. Once a lot of arrests are made in one city, people will start behaving more in the next city.

    The sane elements of the left have a legit concern that you don't want neo-Nazi types breaking the law and intimidating Jewish people or African American people.
    When they break the law, arrest them but do not deny them the freedom of speech anywhere in the country.
     
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    Here's more:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2017/08/...fa-not-uncommon-societies-produce-hate-squad/
    1960s Radicals Condemn Antifa: ‘It Is Not Uncommon For Societies To Produce A Hate Squad’ (Update: Pelosi Joins In)
    JOHN SEXTONPosted at 7:21 pm on August 29, 2017

    The LA Times published a story today titled “‘Antifa’ violence in Berkeley spurs soul-searching within leftist activist community.” There’s not a lot of evidence of soul-searching in the piece, by which I mean no one seems to be thinking about changing their opinion of the group based on what they saw last weekend. What the article does include are some condemnations of the group by well-known 1960s radicals who seem to have already made up their minds. Former Students for a Democratic Society President Todd Gitlin tells the Times Antifa is hijacking the message of the protests:

    “This is food for the adversary,” said sociologist Todd Gitlin, a founder of Students for a Democratic Society, which organized the first national protests against the Vietnam War. He pointed out that violent acts committed by a few will almost always hijack the narrative of the entire protest, and that it is happening now should be no surprise.

    Gitlin also described what he sees as a push by the anti-fascist — also called “antifa” — movement to put “themselves on the map of protest” by using violence to “intimidate” both political opponents and those on the left who promote non-violence. One of the biggest banners at the Berkeley demonstration carried the message “Avenge Charlottesville.”
    Former Berkeley student radical Jo Freeman was less kind. She compared Antifa to those who threatened freedom marchers in the South during the 1960s.


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    Political scientist Jo Freeman, part of the radical student movement that forced UC Berkeley to permit political speech five decades ago, said she was dismayed at the effort that went into silencing opposition. She drew similarities between those who threatened her and other freedom marchers in the South in the 1960s, and those who bully the far right now.

    “It is not uncommon for societies to produce a hate squad,” Freeman said. “People who want to suppress the right to speak — they are everywhere.”
    Earlier this month Noam Chomsky described Antifa as “a major gift to the Right.” He went on to say, “what they do is often wrong in principle – like blocking talks – and [the movement] is generally self-destructive.”

    Update: Even Nancy Pelosi is condemning Antifa today:

    Our democracy has no room for inciting violence or endangering the public, no matter the ideology of those who commit such acts. The violent actions of people calling themselves antifa in Berkeley this weekend deserve unequivocal condemnation, and the perpetrators should be arrested and prosecuted.

    In California, as across all of our great nation, we have deep reverence for the Constitutional right to peaceful dissent and free speech. Non-violence is fundamental to that right. Let us use this sad event to reaffirm that we must never fight hate with hate, and to remember the values of peace, openness and justice that represent the best of America.
    Better late than never I guess.
     
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