Bernie Sanders : Carrier just showed corporations how to beat Donald Trump

I see the Communists are scrambling to get back the white working class.

 

Im not paying any subsidy by letting companies keep their own money. If they are unemployed I have to pay their way. If you are right then why do we need to work at all? Its the same subsidy right? Tell us why we work.

 

I decided to read Bernies plan, all it does is encourage companies to relocate their headquarters, so none of these threats he's making would apply... I mean why would I keep my companies headquarters here, if I can't even get stock options or other benefits, all Bernies plan will do is encourage the relocation of the corporation so its no longer able to punish these corporations once they leave... sure you can attempt to apply tariffs on them importing goods, but Bernie wants to prevent their stock options and salaries... thats just ludicrous... if you think a company is going to stay in america when you prevent them from buying back their own stock or awarding it as compensation, why on earth would they stay in america?

this isn't a plant to prevent companies from leaving, its a gurantee they will leave before that got signed into law... so not only would they escape these proposed penalties, they would also escape the double taxation on foreign earnings... you know Carrier has over 85% of its cash reserves sitting over-seas because it doesn't want to pay an additional 40% tax on something they already paid taxes on... this is why companies are leaving america the way it is, all Bernies plan would do is ensure more look into doing it and once CEO's pay the price, its a guarantee which way they vote... (why do you think so many drug companies and other high-margin companies are leaving, they can sell from anywhere and make more money without being taxed twice)

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/-sanders-statement-on-carrier-and-outsourcing

go read Bernies plan yourself... what company would stay in america if 100% of their savings from moving would get taxed as a penalty???

NOBODY WOULD STAY IN AMERICA IF THIS WERE THE CASE! (and certainly LESS people would even start a business in america)

P.S. I'm okay if you want to hang federal contracts over the heads of those who leave, thats reasonable and sensible, but all these other penalties and options, what a complete disaster that would be...

 

That link shows something else - it shows incentives available to businesses in general.

And, that is one part of what I'm asking.

That is: Is Indiana offering $7k per employee to companies who claim that they would otherwise conduct manufacturing in a different company?

The other one I'm interested in is this general idea that corporations that make decisions based on business factors can expect a visit from the president to coerce them to stay.

It's an interesting idea, but I'd like to know what corporations would need to do to qualify for individual tax attention.

 

I don't understand this desire to punish Americans that engage in business. The Left was so happy with Stimulus' $278,000 per job saved yet are unhappy with Trump's $700 per job saved because did it by working with American Business rather than through heavy handed punishment.

I don't understand the Left's hostility to Americans who engage in business, but I am pleased to see that we will get at least some respite from the Hostile business environment that has descended on America over the last 8 years.

 

I've seen nothing that has any chance of turning manufacturing employment around.

The product that 25 workers could create in 1985 now takes 6 people. We're getting good at not needing employees. And, corporations are looking for those who run manufacturing with a keyboard, not a wrench. The required training is a tough leap.

And, as I've mentioned many times, there are a whole lot of factors that go into this situation. Toyota didn't open manufacturing in the US because of cheap labor or low taxes.

And, cheap labor and low taxes are not the only reasons we open manufacturing in other countries.

Plus, I've seen no answers to my policy questions.

And, I think we both know why!

 

Apparently governor Pence was the only reason they were going to move. Trump convicted him to bribe them into staying.

 

10 times more jobs were created under Obama than under Bush and republican economics.... That is just a basic fact. But yes, Obama wasn't going to throw taxpayer money at any company that threatened to leave the country, because it is stupid.

If this is Trump "great negotiation skills", how much of other peoples money will it take to buy you off, then no wonder he want bankrupt multiple times.

 

Lol! Carrier just sucker punched Trump. He gave them a tax cut and they're still leaving part of their operation. Lol! Surely you people can't be that naive not to see that?

 

That's a lot of jobs, did you get one of them?

 

Neither one are right on this. Sanders just doesn't get that companies are leaving because excessive taxes and regulations have made it more difficult to be competitive with manufacturies in the U.S. Trump at least gets that some of our trade deals are messed up, but actual protectionist policies - which he seems to plan on making - are just going to make the problem worse.

 

Bernie has never employed anyone, never ran a business where a profit must be made, and doesn't have a clue about economics, and has been sucking our teet for more years then most of us have been alive.

Why would you consider anything a bum like that has to say? Seriously, you'd be better off getting advice from a local panhandler at an intersection begging for money.

 

Is that a trick question? The difference is those solar companies went belly up and Carrier is profitable like I said in my comment. Carrier's tax break has a return, tax revenue to the treasury, the solar companies zero, zilch, nada return, money down a rat hole.

 

Good luck Bernie. I think you will have as much chance as has republicans due to the Obama veto of stopping ACA.

Bernie, let me explain this to you.

First the costs are spread over 10 years. That make you feel better?
Trump without passing any new laws, persuaded Carrier to stay where they are.

Next the charges are like $700,000 per year which is $700 per job and on the dime of the people living in Indiana.

What taxes does Carrier account for that ends up in the pockets of Indiana?

Your bright slogan is make laws. Trump's are make deals.

 

Indeed, and the same issues held for Barack Obama. He did turn out to be garbage as a president.

 

One thing creeping me out about Bernie is how poor he is. If you were paid almost $200,000 per year, one might get the idea you had a substantial net worth. But not Bernie. Nope, I don't know where his money goes, but maybe down some rat hole?

Is it in property? Well nope.

Anyway, the man has nothing to show for accomplishments to be thinking he belongs to the party that will be making laws for a few more years.

 

LMAO at all the carping by the Hillary Clinton supporters. It is killing you guys!

Your queen would have done nothing to stop Carrier from leaving, and you know it.


To all of you Carrier workers, Happy belated Thanksgiving, Merry Christmas, and Happy New Year!

 

Damn near all of Obama's administration/advisors are just like him, zero real world experience. Academic and/or government mooches only who think making a profit is evil, unless you're a democrat of course.

 

Thread should have closed because you nailed it, there's nothing more to say

 

Bernie has fascist policy; Trump, despite his desire for fascist policy is actually making people more free.

Well, we know where you stand.

Would you also prevent outsourcing among states, or are hypocrite as well as in favor of fascism?

 

Obama was the transparent one, Trump does not have to be.

 

I recall Obama handing over in cash half a billion dollars to Solyndra. I know due to the plant having been located down the street from me. So where did that cash go?

And also, this deal with Indiana uses their money. It is their jobs so it uses their cash. And the payments take 10 years to complete, not days like Obama did.

 

So, did Carrier's customer's threaten to move as well? EPA regulations don't say "Applies only to products made in the US."

 

You made a joke. Thanks.

 

What question should you ask an ex obama employee after Jan 20th? Can I have fries with that?