Bernie Sanders : Carrier just showed corporations how to beat Donald Trump

Gotta love it. Trump and Pence instead sucker punched the Indiana tax payers; http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/...-part-of-trump-carrier-jobs-plan-821559363758 So much for cutting taxes on Americans. You folks just got conned. This is hilarious.

One thing the country will get out of a Trump presidency; the biggest joke of the century.

 

UGH. I told this to Iriemon, and I'll tell it to you: The US Federal Government only receives money from TAXATION. The Federal Budget is the total amount raised in the fiscal year. Therefore, the only money that comes from 'tax breaks and incentives' are monies that come directly from the treasury. Or at best, government is saying 'You don't have to pay THIS in taxes'.

That is what a tax break is, there isn't a redirection of money. There isn't taking money out of any cycle. That is fundamentally, what a tax break is. So let's discuss who would benefit, by getting rid of tax breaks and incentives. Not the Middle class. No, it's the 20 trillion dollar federal government that again pronounced that it drew in a record of tax revenue!

Despite this, it's still in the red. Maybe it wouldn't be in the red if it got rid of those tax breaks(maybe), but if that were to happen government spending will increase proportionately. The huge question, is would that spending be done on work projects, or to try and pay down our outstanding growing costs of our social programs?

One approach is a long-term move towards solvency, the other is a middling road of absolute failure. A road that we've known for so very long.

Wanna know what would really grow jobs? Enabling people to become entrepreneurs, promoting a state-of-the-art training programs and grooming people for success, starting from the very first grade. Asia has made these type of investments, and the result is there to show in their highly advanced societies.

When Asia has top notch educational facilities and the US isn't even in the top-30 of these. Your little class war falls on deaf ears in terms of an actual, real solution.

 

Wow, hopefully this curbs some of the Bernie fanatics. This is terrifying for businesses. Just punish punish punish


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Please, after Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio endorsed Trump, a man who they absolutely DESPISE with an obvious seething passion, you are in no position to criticize anyone for selling out. Especially Cruz who Trump insulted his wife AND father, and yet to save his own butt, he still endorsed the buffoon.

 

Yep your give up on america policy sounds much better than trumps which keeps people employed. Trump saved jobs whether you admit it or not....but thats a stone cold fact. Did Obama save those jobs or did trump?

 

Hahah yeah I love that liberal math...lose your full time job with benefits get two part time jobs without. To a liberal thats a net gain in jobs. Its ridiculously pathetic that you guys actually still believe that people are still buying this happy horse(*)(*)(*)(*). Here all of the people losing their jobs at staggering rates must not have heard there are twice as many jobs now.

 

If Carrier is going to sell most of those products made in Mexico in the United States then whether they are made in Mexico doesn't matter, they will still have to be redesigned as per EPA guidelines

I and most liberals always complained about trickle down because it doesn't work except under very special circumstances, those circumstances were much more closely met at certain times in the past than they are now. Now the income gaps are so wide nobody at the lower end will ever have money to buy enough to make trickle down work.

 

Hahaha... The socialist explains capitalism to the Don? I think not. (*)(*)(*)(*) that sellout. Last week it was:

http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/28/news/companies/donald-trump-carrier-jobs/

Well, how exactly was Bernie expecting him to negotiate this? (*)(*)(*)(*)ing hypocrite.

 

You are trying to equate name calling & policy difference to stealing an election and locking a delegation out of their convention. Now that's just crazy. I may have been born at night but it wasn't last night.

Would you like me to discuss Ted Cruz and Rubio? I think it's ridiculous the things politicians say about each other then turn around and play nice. It's like they think people are stupid and will forget they practically hated each other the week before. But simple name calling doesn't come close to the treatment Bernie and his supporters received from the Clintoncrats and the DNC.

 

Simple name calling? Trump blatantly insulted Cruz's wife AND father. Cruz, and Rubio for that matter, only supported Trump to save their political careers. They didn't want to end up being pariahs within their own party like Jeb Bush and Kasich (who was just booed yesterday at a Trump rally in his own freakin' state).

And let's not pretend you give give a damn about Bernie. What was Bernie supposed to do? Urge his supporters to vote for a loser like Trump? Hell, many of them stayed home any way, or voted third party, hence why Trump was able to squeak out a win. So at the end of the day...the Bernie fanatics DID end up inadvertently giving Trump the win. So the DNC and Hillary did essentially pay for supposedly "rigging the primaries". Which, we all know, is what you guys wanted. Pissed off Bernie supporters to stay home or vote third party, so that Trump can win, which is what happened.

 

Hate to break it to you but I voted for Bernie and would have voted for him over Trump. Instead I voted Trump. You can cry about Hillary not getting our vote but she did it to herself. TPP is dead & I'm not emotional enough to buy all the bull (*)(*)(*)(*) that's been said about Trump.

My wife, another Bernie supporter, went with Johnson. She's the one that convinced me to support Bernie.

I find it hilariously amazing Clintoncrats want to attack Bernie supporters for not supporting the woman who rigged a primary to make sure our vote didn't count.

 

I'm not attacking Bernie or his supporters, if anything I was agreeing with you. I said the DNC and Hillary paid for screwing over Bernie. Hopefully they learned their lesson.

 

The dems paid dearly here, I don't think I could even see a dem politician in a museum at this point. So far with the election of the same old leadership, it would appear they have not learned anything.

 

Yeah, I'm not happy about the Pelosi win either, but keep in mind that America is a centrist country that eventually gets tired of any of the two major political parties being in power too long. So the GOP will run the show for now...until the American voter gets sick of them, and boots them out of office. Then the Democrats will take over, and they'll get booted out again. It's just the way things are.

 

Bernie who?

 

As I said earlier corporations don't pay taxes, the tax is figured into the bottom line production cost whether that is goods or services and passed on to the consumer. Let me try to make this simple.

Acme widget company figures in its cost of operation per year which includes employees, energy bills, transportation, insurance etc etc etc. They divide these cost by the number of widgets they produce and sell per year and each widget cost them $50.00 per unit to produce. They then sell them for let's say $75.00 for a 50% profit. Now the government comes along and demands a cut of the action and taxes Acme with a number that equals $25.00 per widget. No more profit for acme and they are forced to raise the price of the widget $25.00. Now their product sells for $100.00, it's very simple really, corporations don't pay taxes, their customers do.

 

Only... No.
2012 had 129,075,630 votes cast vs 135,549,250 so far, with millions in CA still left to count.

So... The people spoke. I get that this annoys you.

 

Other people's money? He let them keep more of their own unless you think (other people) own part of Carrier. Is that what you think? Who exactly are these other people and what's their role at Carrier?

 

Most of them will go back to a college campus to indoctrinate future democrats, or do it remotely by pretending to be journalists.

 

Interesting statement. Whos tax dollars bought these jobs? Whos taxes went up? What he did in actuality is let carrier keep their own money and your taxes won't go up a bit. Not only that but the thousand saved jobs will continue paying taxes now instead if drawing unemployment which could indeed make your taxes go up. It's a win win win.

 

Source this please

 

Not to mention Trump isn't giving Carrier a dime, he's letting them keep their own money

 

Simple question, what's better no carrier and no jobs or carrier paying reduced taxes and 1000 saved jobs?

 

You honestly can't see the difference between handing millions of dollars to a company out of the government coffers and giving a company tax relief? You think Solyndra paid any tax at all after we funded them?


"Solyndra’s not going to pay back the better part of its loans, which is bad news for its investors — better known as U.S. taxpayers.

Solyndra, the solar panel company that famously filed for bankruptcy last September, will only be paying back about $24 million of the $527 million loaned to it by the U.S. government, according to Dow Jones reports. The company will also repay at least half of a $70 million investment from private equity firms, but much of a separate $1 billion investment from the private equity industry won’t be coming back".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/30/solyndra-bankruptcy-government-loan_n_1721043.html


See the difference NOW??????