Biden should resign and let Harris run as incumbent

I don't think that's gonna work. Biden is so far gone that people already know Harris is essentially the ticket. Biden is NOT lasting four more years as Commander n Chief. The Dem ticket is already Harris. And folks already arent having it ...because she's a moron.

Dems had a pile of gold with RFK, and they tossed him out in the garbage in favor of their love for pharmaceutical corporations. And that's why you're gonna have 4 more years of Trump.

 

I can only imagine the heat that a Trump administration would take if his SS had failed to protect Biden and nobody got fired for it. It may still happen, but accountability doesn't seem to be much of a priority for the Biden team. They don't give a rat's ass about transparency either.

 

Can you think of any reason he might feel that way.

 

However will Obama get a 4th term is Moochelle doesn't run?

 

Harris should name Howard Dean as her running mate.

Cackle and Scream.

 

Me thinks ole Joe has given up on himself. Just listen to him speak off script.

Biden will ride out his term in Delaware or Camp David. But he will announce he will not seek reelection and quit the campaign.

 

Other than being stupid, I'm not sure.

 

Lol

Dean is way way more capable though. So it should be Scream and Cackle.

 

Really, I thought you would be better informed.

 

it doesn't matter. In his mind, I'm sure he sounds like Churchill. He's still in the race.

 

Interesting idea. Here - So you wanted some Harris polling?

https://www.politico.com/newsletter...18/so-you-wanted-some-harris-polling-00169524

Harris is much younger, would eliminate the age and mental fitness issue. But she is still tied to the Biden administration which has a very low 40% overall job approval, 57% disapproval.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/approval-rating

Has it occurred that the age and mental fitness issues is in reality masking what most Americans view as a poor job performance which Harris is part of? When a sitting president runs for reelection, that election is usually a referendum on the sitting president’s job performance. No sitting president running for reelection has won with an overall job approval of below 50%. Not Ford in 1976, not Carter in 1980, not G.H.W. Bush in 1992 and not Trump in 2020.

Biden has an independent problem. Today they favor Trump 37-30 with 19% intending to vote third party against both Trump and Biden, 14% undecided. Harris would still have that same independent problem. 34% favorable, 56% unfavorable. Remember, Biden is president today mainly because he won independents in 2020 54-41 over Trump. But today independents dislike Biden a bit more than Trump and dislike Harris a bit more than either Biden or Trump. Perhaps a governor?

 

I Think of all these numbers, its Harris which are soft, most mallable and changable. Harris hardly has any image at all. It all about who successfully brands her first. This is without a doubt our best chance to really change this entire dynamic.

 

I'm quite informed. I'm informed enough to know that banning semi-automatic rifles wouldn't have kept Gabriel Giffords from getting shot, because she was shot with a handgun.

 

The dynamics, Biden vs. Trump has been set in concrete since September of last year. Why independents disapprove of Harris so much is hard for me to fathom. She’s been basically out of the limelight, out of sight, out of mind. But perhaps I shouldn’t be surprised. Even democrats in 2020 didn’t like her much as she was the first candidate to drop out of or for the democratic nomination in 2020. Before the first primary. There are certain folks that just rub people the wrong way, there’s no reason for that, it just is. Harris may be one of those. Why would so many independents have an unfavorable view of her if not that she just rubs a lot of folks the wrong way. There’s no reason that I can see or think of for so many independents disliking her. But it is what it is.

I do have a problem with the DNC, Democratic Party leadership and some elected democratic official putting pressure on Biden to step aside. Biden won the nomination via the vote in the democratic primaries. 87% of democratic voters voted for him to be their nominee. In my mind, this is akin to stating elections don’t matter, who the people vote for is irrelevant. This is still a close race. Anything can happen. Biden was 6 points down to Trump in January, prior to the primaries. He narrowed that gap down to a single point in April. Now he’s fallen to 3.7 points behind.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/po...24/trump-vs-biden-vs-kennedy-vs-west-vs-stein

That’s still a close race. I don’t understand all the panicking over one lousy debate performance. It’s contagious and I think all this talk about replacing him, forcing him out after the people chose him, has taken much more a toll on Biden than his debate performance ever could. Trump led Biden by 2.5 points on 27 June, the day of the debate. Since then Trump’s lead has increased to 3.7 points. Is that increase of 1.2 points worth all this panicking? Is it worth throwing out the results of 5 months of democratic primaries? It’s my opinion that if the democrats wanted Biden replace, the time for that was prior to the primaries. The DNC and democratic party leadership should have let other candidates challenge him instead of using all their power, arm twisting, threats, other shenanigans to ensure Biden wasn’t challenged. Now they want to force him out after the democratic voters have spoken and the election results are in. That in my book isn’t defending democracy.

 

Not here to argue that. The premise was that perhaps he has a reason for feeling the way he feels, which apparently you understand. That is all.

 

Not the craziest thing in the world, but I am curious as to why you feel that being an incumbent would help her?

 

I understand that he's stupid. I understand that he is chasing waterfalls and isn't really interested in keeping guns out of the hands of criminals. If he did, he would be pushing criminal control, not gun control.

Kelly wanted to demonstrate how easy it is to buy a gun and got bitch slapped...

Gun store nixes Mark Kelly’s AR-15 purchase
https://www.cnn.com/2013/03/26/politics/mark-kelly-ar-15

 

It was a 'Putin Primary'. This is not an election to defend if there is no opponent on the ballot. I mean that's what we say when any other two- bit authoriarian manages to get 87% of an uncontested election. I mean come on! Carter - Kennedy was a serious election. Ford -Reagan was a serious election. We have not had one in either party involving an incumbant President in the primary since.

 

There was 1992, Pat Buchanan vs. G.H.W. Bush. Buchanan received 23% of the GOP primary vote. Buchanan ran against Bush for his broken promise of read my lips, no new taxes pledge. Buchanan wasn’t a real threat to Bush or a real challenge, but he was more than a nuisance candidate like Williamson this year. But you’re correct, outside of Ford vs. Reagan and Teddy Kennedy vs. Carter, there really hasn’t been a serious challenger to an incumbent president running for reelection.

Should there have been, probably considering the number of Americans who didn’t want Biden to run again along with his very poor job approval numbers. Biden either would have been toughen up or lost. Ford’s job approval was at 43% as he looked like a sure loser when Reagan challenged him. That was one exciting primary season. Carter’s job approval was at 39% when Kennedy challenged him, Jimmy also looked like a loser. Biden in January of this year was at 38% job approval and trailed Trump by 6 points. Yet, because Biden’s opponent was Trump, I don’t think he looked like a sure loser back then. Not like Ford and Carter did. I don’t think Biden is a sure loser today, there’s an ocean full of water to flow under the election bridge between now and November. Let’s just say I’m a bit stunned that after one poor debate performance the DNC and Democratic Party leadership would tag Biden as a sure loser in the Ford and Carter mode. I’m also stunned or amazed may be more accurate that they, the DNC and Democratic Party leaders are now trying to overturn the Democratic Primary results by trying to force Biden to withdraw. Even if the primaries were Putin style elections.

 

It does not stop with one bad debate. We already have a looong list of further 'evidence' of Biden's inability to get through a single speech without adding more. Just look at what has been posted on this forum as alleged memory lapses and statements that are drowning social media. My kids are telling me the memes are everywhere. We have videos recording his slow gait and every so careful steps on air force one steps, his flat facial affect and that slow motion half wave and that showed up in the last 24 hours. We can't even begin to contemplate what AI created deep fakes will do to him in the last couple of weeks. Nobody younger than 30 wants to vote for anyone, and we need them to go to great personal inconvenience to do that very thing for our nominee.

Biden will not be doing any barnstorming tour with its 14 hour days and jet lag. He needs to an early bedtime to stay 'sharp' , and he's got a full time job. Biden will not be challenging Trump to another debate, garranteed. Biden will have to hide in the rose garden and oval office, to keep a target off his back that he, himself keeps redrawing, and that will not make up any ground or alter his brand. This is a trap from which there is no escape.

 

In other words, you don’t think Biden is physically fit enough and perhaps mentally too to run for reelection today. Has Biden deteriorated that much in six months? Physically fit and mentally alert back in January prior to the primaries, but unfit today after all the voting has taken place. From what I’ve been reading it does seem Biden is getting ready to step aside. If you’re correct about everything you said, at least implying Biden isn’t physically or mentally fit for another term or to run for reelection, then is he physically fit with mental acuity, alert to finish this term as president? This may seem like piling on, but I think it’s a valid question especially if Biden is deemed physically and mentally unfit by the democratic party leaders to run for reelection, what about the final six months of his presidency?


If so, not only having Biden step aside, declare he’s no longer running for reelection, but also resign the office of the presidency for medical reasons thus letting Harris become president for the remainder of this term. That may indeed be the prudent thing to do. Harris may even benefit from some good feelings toward her that isn’t there today. Sort of a sympathy vote. I’d feel much better if the DNC, Democratic Party leaders, some elected officials had let Biden do this on his own instead of having it look like he’s being forced to withdraw. That is bad optics.

 

Campaigning for office and holding it take rather different skillsets. I have seen no evidence that this administration is not effective or that this administration is not pursuing Biden's vision. You can learn more about my views on that topic in a separate thread I will be posting very soon on a cyberscreen near you.