Biden: There Is 'No Federal Solution' to COVID-19 Response

Notice how the left subverts the right to try law Trump got passed when patients want to try Ivermectin or Hydrochloroquiene…

 

Dang, that's awful. When I had to get my tests done it was only 20 minutes at the longest. I actually do regular testing for work so I'm not as worried about that. I'm not denying that the Biden administration can do more, but that's moreso because I think we need to change our entire economy to handle the pandemic.

 

No I mean like what is the outcome if people are allowed to have a choice in whether they get vaccinated or not. Like will there be more vaccinations, less vaccinations, etc.

Edit just saw the other message. I will respond to that one in more detail.

 

Besides for the fact more people will be dead, or severely crippled? To say nothing of the parents who will lose their lives? I mean, what broader implications are there behind this belief? Like have you thought of the long term consequences of this belief? Like what is going to happen in the long term if it's a choice?

 

Those who chose to get vaccinated, still would, I think a lot of people who are being forced into it, or face losing their jobs, wouldn't.

 

Let's assume not even facing the threat of losing their job. No negative consequences of not getting the vaccine. What would happen in this ideal world? Why would people chose to get vaccinated?

 

It should always be a choice, there should be no one telling people they have to get vaccinated.

You can't live your life by, "what ifs".

 

People who are fully vaccinated, die too.

 

No one I know gives the words and biased opinions of the mental midgets at MBFC have to say about anything any consideration. They are of no value as is the content of any who rely or use it for anything other than to mock or ridicule. They are very arbitrary in their rating system that uses no objective or rational basis in their ratings which they do not back if legally challenged. They call it for entertainment purposes only which is fitting if one needs to have a laughing fit. Lastly MBFC is in the IFCN which is affiliated with the Poynter Foundation which gets funding from George Soros.

 

But I can. Because what good is your 'freedom' if it means people are going to die? Look at what your argument does, it's a reductio ad absurdum in the name of 'freedom'. That's not a good argument. And I'm scared if this is your argument, how many people will die because it's 'freedom'?

 

I agree with you that it should be a choice to mask up or to get a vaccine. Where I live in California few wear masks and outside of medical facilities no one requires it.

 

I remember when Gov Rick Perry tried to mandate the gardasil vaccine for school aged girls in Texas. Fortunately, I was able to read unbiased scientific data on the vaccine and determined my children did not need it. When they turned 18, if they wanted to get it, it was their choice. However, for this vaccine to be mandated by an entity, I strongly objected to it. It was not Rick Perry’s choice. I also harbored concerns for Big Pharma after this.

I see the Covid vaccine in the same light. It should be the individual’s choice, based on what is best for them. You can only control yourself, and at some point, every human on the planet will be exposed to this, and some people-multiple times. COVID is here to stay and the best we can do is to take care of ourselves-eating right, exercise, Sun exposure, and finding laughter and joy. We are all going to die at some point. Living in fear is causing harm.

I wear a mask when it is mandated, as it keeps my bad breath in and other’s out, lol. But a mask is way different than a mandated vaccine that has FOIA requests closed for the next 75 years.

 

I was wondering when the antisemitism was going to rear its ugly head. Regardless, this speaks more to your and your friends inability to spot good sources than it does anything else. Now, I have had to teach the "how to spot a good source" lesson a lot of times now. So let's apply it in this case.

1. Does the source pass the 'gut check'? -No. Because it sounds really stupid. It's not fair to say that's what happened.
2. Who is the source? -Newsmax, who has a history of several lies and had to apologize to dominion voting systems over their coverage of the 2020 presidential election. Supporting conspiracy theories does not a good newsite make.
3. Why did they write the story?-Clearly to attack President Biden.
4. How does it compare to other news sites?-Nobody is saying that Biden is giving up on the federal response. Rather what he's saying is that the states have to do something about the pandemic.
5. Should a reasonable person believe it? -No.

Now let's check my source, Media Bias Foundation.
1. Does the source pass the 'gut check'?-Yes, there are multiple links to sources.
2. Who is the source?-MBF who as you so eloquently point out, clearly indicate who is funding them. Which is... a sign of a good source. Plus they have several links dedicated to transparency and methodology. You can disagree with the methodology, but they say it's there.
3. Why did they write the story/report?-Because it's their job to cover the bias of different news sites.
4. How does it compare to other news sites? According to Ad Fontes (another media bias checker), they have given a similar review as MBFC. https://adfontesmedia.com/newsmax-bias-and-reliability/
5. Should you believe the source?-Yes.

 

The faulty assumption is that everyone will be a carrier of COVID, and as a result of their carrying the virus, people will automatically die or suffer the long term injuries described. That assumption isn't really true. Essentially, I concur with @Arleigh on the situation. Altruism at the behest of the state or social pressure, is not true altruism. It is of course a human instinct to want the best for others, and for society at large but the coronavirus did not change universal beliefs. IE: Forced actions are still of negative consequence.

There may be more people who die of the coronavirus as a result, perhaps they wouldn't have if they took the vaccine. A tragic case for them, and yes their family and loved ones. But that is the path they chose. There will be others who have the virus and still yet live. Hell, remember the early days of the pandemic? One of the reasons for the flattening the curve was that we were told people would be asymptomatic carriers. Whatever happened to this?

Has the science changed on asymptomatic carriers? Because if not, I'd say that the bug had more than ample opportunity over two years to continue infecting. And without the at-home tests(which I think many of which should be in local doctor offices), we don't know how many of us have ever come into contact with COVID. I could have, you could have. Who knows?

 

And?

That's a horrible argument for lots of reasons, but I want you to reflect on that argument. Why are you posting this? Are you saying you have no reason to live? I mean, why not just die right now if everyone is going to die? Now I know that's not true but your post is just advocating for death. There's no reason to live, no point in having the 'freedom' to choose otherwise. It's this intellectual depravity that makes authoritative alternatives so much better.

 

Yeah as much as I would love to say how wrong you are on a lot of this because we're now close to 1/300 having lost a person to the disease (that's a lot of people) in the US alone. It fails to even touch my point. My point is that if 'freedom' is so much better to have, then what should we see? Like what is the world we should have? I don't care about some abstract notion of "I will be okay", I want to know what society will look like if vaccines are completely optional.

 

Wow. I had an olive branch in hand when I posted this to you to offer a different perspective You completely jumped the shark on your perspective.
What is the horrible argument? I believe getting a vaccine should be the choice of the individual, and not the state. Care to refute that?

I am saying we are all going to die someday, i.e., we are not going to live forever. Living in fear of this virus and the ensuing lockdowns, has caused great harm to society. Mental health issues have risen, suicide rates have risen. Some people are miserable because they cannot see family and friends. My perspective is to engage in actions that make your life and mental health, healthy. If I get a Covid booster shot every 6 months, there is no guarantee I will not get the virus and succumb to it. So, I refuse to live in fear. I am living my life. I do not need “authoritative alternatives” to dictate and think for me.

That, is true “intellectual depravity”.

 

But that's not the argument you made. Notice what you said here. You're saying we need to prevent lockdowns to stop suicide rates from increasing. That's advocating for life. Did you say anything about preventing suicide in your last post? No, your post focused on the idea that everyone dies eventually. But notice you have two ideas in conflict with each other. If everyone dies, why does it matter how they died? It's pointless in a cosmological sense. I criticize your argument because you are not consistent with your argument. Either it matters how people died (and we do something about it), or it doesn't matter how people die (so why bother doing anything about it). Which is it? The only way out as far as I can see is somehow connecting the idea of living without fear is a good life to live, to the covid response. But again, that runs into the 'everyone dies eventually argument' problem. You can't have both arguments, unless you are assuming some sort of intrinsic reason to support having freedom. But that's another bad argument to make.

As for the argument you want me to refute? I want you to make up your ideal land. What should happen if everyone gets a vaccine?

 

People in this country have freedom of choice.

It's as simple as that.

 

People have two freedoms that matter here. Freedom of liberty and freedom of life. You can’t enjoy liberty if you lack good health ie are dead. Simple as that. So when you say we have freedom without critical reflection as to why we should have that freedom, we have a problem.

 

The argument I made is that the choice of getting a vaccine should be up the individual, and not the state. See the Gov. Rick Perry point I made.

Again feel free to refute that. If you think it’s a bad argument, try your case instead of trying to “scold” me.

I never said we need to prevent lockdowns to stop suicide rates from increasing. If you want to ignore the rise in mental health issues and suicide rates from the fear over Covid and the correlating lock downs, going on 2 years now, that is on you.

Yes, everyone dies. What truly matters is how you live. What truly matters is what you did as an individual to make your self as healthy and happy as you possible can, while the fear mongering continues and global authorities keep moving the goal posts on Covid.

You strike me as mean and entrenched in your position closed off to anything that deviates from your point of view. I will not be holding out an olive branch to you again.

‘Try getting some sunshine soon, it may make you feel better.

 

The answer has been given to you in multiple different ways. In a society without compulsion, it's quite possible those who choose not to will be infected with the virus, and the varying individual outcomes there, will play themselves out. Given that most scientists believe that this will become endemic or has already reached such a stage, proves the futility of the mandate in its entirety. You are fighting a losing battle, and perhaps always have from the moment the coronavirus was discovered.

It's also quite possible that some people will never get the virus or will always be lowly affected due to genetic matter we've yet to discover. No virus has ever 100% infected all of the human race, not even the black plague. But what we're seeing, in cases such as Israel and other countries is that the forced compulsion is a losing proposition. So what's the real reason for the hoopla?

Oceam's razor: "Do something!" Which too, is a human reaction to just about every problem in the history of our species. But there's not much to be done about a virus. We will get used to it, infected by it, eventually we will develop naturally long lasting antibodies and we'll move on.

 

Well said. So refreshing to read objective posts on this forum.

 

That is a well thought out answer. Now let’s apply ockams razor to that. Shouldn’t everything you’re saying about the disease be true *regardless of where one is on the planet*? Or, in other words, it shouldn’t matter where I’m the world you are. Death rates will more or less be the same. And yet they’re not. Which means your argument can’t explain the difference we’re seeing.

 

There was not any anti-semitism in that post. Quite a fabrication you just threw out.
No one asked you for your condescending tone and no one asked you to spot a good source. Sad, as you ignore the Salon link and the JoeBiden.com link. Ignorance is bliss, eh?